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What is the exact ruling on psychic powers that remove wounds?
If there is a psychic power that removes wounds is the psycher able to use it to remove hull points.
Not the psychic attacks with a strength that causes wounds through strength vs toughness. I am referring to the ones that cause D(whatever dice number) when a leadership roll is failed.

Wounds are not Hull Points. There is no rule that says you can remove Hull Points when you should be removing Wounds, so you cannot do so.

You can't wound a vehicle. Those powers would typically have no impact. Unless the power says it can remove hull points, it can't.

Can you provide the specific power you're thinking of?
Is it Psychic Shriek?
If it is, it doesn't affect vehicles, since vehicles don't have wounds and Shriek only causes wounds.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Can you provide the specific power you're thinking of?
Is it Psychic Shriek?
If it is, it doesn't affect vehicles, since vehicles don't have wounds and Shriek only causes wounds.

Dont remember, it was either an eldar one or one from the basic ones. Been a while.
i tried to tell him that it wouldnt work. He knew it wouldnt work as well as I did but he is one of those types of people who will make you spend hours searching for the exact wording and if your unable to find in black and white what he knows to be true, while he sits back and giggles hoping your give up and let him have his way rather than spend hours searching for the exact wording, force his way to do whatever he wants. I'm sure youve seen the type.
Was hoping someone could "cite me the chapter and verse".



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What we did the last time was ended up rolling off for it Will likely be playing him again tomorrow and was hoping to be able to give him the official answer should the situation come up again.

Again, cant remember the power but it was based off of a leadership roll (Im thinking vehicles auto pass those) and was used to strip all of the hull points off of Pask. It was a game changing situation that decided the game.

 EVIL INC wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Can you provide the specific power you're thinking of?
Is it Psychic Shriek?
If it is, it doesn't affect vehicles, since vehicles don't have wounds and Shriek only causes wounds.

Dont remember, it was either an eldar one or one from the basic ones. Been a while.
i tried to tell him that it wouldnt work. He knew it wouldnt work as well as I did but he is one of those types of people who will make you spend hours searching for the exact wording and if your unable to find in black and white what he knows to be true, while he sits back and giggles hoping your give up and let him have his way rather than spend hours searching for the exact wording, force his way to do whatever he wants. I'm sure youve seen the type.
Was hoping someone could "cite me the chapter and verse".

You won't fine one that says that they're different. But if wounds and Hull Points were the same, there would be no need to differentiate. For example:
- Instant Death would work on a vehicle.
- BotO would work on any model (unless it says base contact with a vehicle- no books with me at this moment)
- IWND would be have redundant wording, as it says you may regain a wound or hull point lost earlier in battle.
- Life Leech would affect your friendly neighbourhood Land Raider/dreadnought/drop pod/other. Both in I wound yours and/or heal mine with it.
- Instant Death would not call out Wounds specifically.
- FNP would work for vehicles as well as non-vehicles.

This is from memory, as I'm a few tens-of-miles away from home right now. Apologies.

Pask doesn't have a leadership statistic, does he? So what, was your opponent trying to say that psychic shriek can deal 18 HP of damage (it can only deal wounds, and mind you, they're different things).

No leadership skill mean psychic shriek can't hurt it, and if a power says it causes wounds, not using a shooting profile, it can't strip hull points.

To strip hull points you need something like molten beam, which makes a shooting attack equivalent to a melta IIRC, and will specifically say S8.

Powers that won't work are any that specifically say taking off wounds, which as far as I know don't have a stat to compare it to anyways. It's the same for hemorrhage, you can't make a tank take a toughness test.

Well, we have page 78, "Vehicles, leadership and morale" which says that vehicles never take leaderhip tests.
Page 75 describes when you remove hull point, this is when you take a glance or pen, it does not say you remove hull points if you lose a wound.

According to pg 13, if your vehicle would roll for ld you would roll 2d6 and try to roll below Null (not 0), meaning you would try to roll below a value that does not exist, which is about as logical as trying to roll lower than banana icecream.

It is up to your friend to show that there is a rule that is more specific which allows a wound to count as a HP in the case of casting that psychic power, and also to show how that roll would be made since you do not have a ld characteristic. The above rules are enough to show that you cannot roll for ld and you cannot lose HP when it says that you should lose wounds.

edit: loose/lose, damn you english.

Vehicles do occasionally require a Ld value, though, which is Ld10 when that's necessary.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Vehicles do occasionally require a Ld value, though, which is Ld10 when that's necessary.

that's not a general rule. There are just some instances of special powers doing so for their own effect

dethric wrote:
Which is about as logical as trying to roll lower than banana icecream.

I rolled lower than banana icecream once, but realized I was using the wrong dice. It was pretty embarrassing.

 NightHowler wrote:

dethric wrote:
Which is about as logical as trying to roll lower than banana icecream.

I rolled lower than banana icecream once, but realized I was using the wrong dice. It was pretty embarrassing.

I prefer shooting attacks where my opponent accidentally grabs a Scatter die

 jreilly89 wrote:

 NightHowler wrote:

dethric wrote:
Which is about as logical as trying to roll lower than banana icecream.

I rolled lower than banana icecream once, but realized I was using the wrong dice. It was pretty embarrassing.

I prefer shooting attacks where my opponent accidentally grabs a Scatter die

If either of us make that mistake, we say you go off of whatever the die says. A hit is a hit, an arrow is a miss. It's clearly what the dice gods would want

 kingbobbito wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 NightHowler wrote:

dethric wrote:
Which is about as logical as trying to roll lower than banana icecream.

I rolled lower than banana icecream once, but realized I was using the wrong dice. It was pretty embarrassing.

I prefer shooting attacks where my opponent accidentally grabs a Scatter die

If either of us make that mistake, we say you go off of whatever the die says. A hit is a hit, an arrow is a miss. It's clearly what the dice gods would want

I've actually rolled said scatter die during an instance in which I was trying to save my warlord with a save.... It scattered and he died. lol