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I play a version of ultra marines called the Doom Eagles, but with the new rules and other armies becoming so good I had to put them away and have been mainly focusing on using my Necrons. Does anybody have any ideas or lists they would suggest? Personally I love using a bunch of vehicles just because it looks cool and is fluffy. I normally run a couple of rhinos, some predators, and a few land raiders. Unfortunately they always seem to get shot up way to early. Any solutions or experience to share?

Cents, with tiggy are very difficult to deal with. They threaten 2 units a turn and basically turn sections of the board into no go zones since they annihilate anything near them and they can't be hurt back because of invisibility.

There are a number of strong vanilla marine lists. How/if they march up with your collection and what you like to play are another story. Also something to consider is how competitive your local meta is.

If you like tanks, you need to get armor saturation. Just keep putting more on the table, they can’t kill them all at once. You also might want to look into the Iron Hands chapter tactics.

Bikes, drop pods, and cents are generally considered our good units. But there are a lot of ways to make a successful list.

Legion of the damned can be damned effective.

Particularly when you run up against things that like their cover saves!

Scout list almost won LVO, SM variations of that should work.

cool thanks, the only problem with the cents is that they are wildly expensive (points wise) and don't have an invulnerable save. Its been a while since I've taken a long look at the assault marines. Are they any good on the battle field? Any good stories or strategies. Personally I like to run them like the wraiths, just using their mobility and strength in numbers to overwhelm different variances of units.

Cents get a lot of milage out of attached characters. Either someone tanky to soak wounds, or someone casty for buffs.

Assault marines are as mediocre as they have been for the last few editions. Not to say they are useless, but I don’t think anyone is going to call them a power unit. A pair of flamers I think is mandatory, geared up sarge (vet w/ power weapon) recommended, and attached chaplain encouraged. I like 5 man squads, arguments can be made for full 10 men units. They are bullies. Jump around the back field, find someone weaker then you, take their lunch money. In a drop pod list they are an inexpensive way to boost your pod count. I like them, YMMV.

Thunderfire Cannons are excellent, cheap HS choices.

I don't care what army you are playing it's really really difficult to deal with 6 units of Tactical Marines that are in Rhinos and all have Objective Secured.

Hollismason wrote:
I don't care what army you are playing it's really really difficult to deal with 6 units of Tactical Marines that are in Rhinos and all have Objective Secured.

Not if you kill them all.

Martel732 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I don't care what army you are playing it's really really difficult to deal with 6 units of Tactical Marines that are in Rhinos and all have Objective Secured.

Not if you kill them all.

Indeed, it is kind of frightening when you calculate it out just how many tactical marines some lists can kill per turn. I eliminated one marine list from contention to bring to LVO after calculating that on average 4 flyrants could table it in 5 turns. Obviously one will probably deal with a couple of the flyrants by then, but that didn't take into account the rest of the 'Nid list either.