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Angron, the bulkiest primarch built thicker than any powerlifter and standing a bit under or over 12 feet tall and probably weighing the better part of 8 tons without armor (due to being a primarch and having muscle with similar density to iron) picked up a small woman by the waist and told her to beg for her life, before crushing her into mist.
Holy gak!!!
I forgot where I read this, maybe someone knows.
I'm trying to sympathize with him but damn.
That gak is among the most downright evil, honor less, and chauvinistic actions I've ever read about.
Khorne does not approve.

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows. He approves just fine.

He,s evil! Mustache twirlingly, waxing it with the blood of children and sisters of battle.

Yeah, long as there's blood and skulls its fine. No real issues where it comeses from except I think tyranids are not quite right

Most evil, curze will have to work harder..... Oh man.....

Was it in Betrayer? Where he goes back to Nuceria, the planet where he was kept as a slave for his entire upbringing, had the Butchers Nails hammered into his head, was forced into gladiatorial fights and saw his brothers die? Because if it is... Kinda justified...

I don't really see how it's chauvanistic either, he didn't kill her because she was a woman. He killed someone, who happened to be a woman. Bearing in mind the only human, possibly the only being, Angron respects, is a woman.

Without more details, especially a source, it's pretty difficult to discuss.

It sounds a lot like the scene in Betrayer that ImAGeek described. And yeah, Angron had some... issues over his past on Nuceria.

But at the end of the day, he's not a good guy. I don't think you're supposed to feel that his actions are justified, only that you can kind of see where he's coming from.

Khorne approves.

Yes, but context is very important, he was pushed into it by lorgar, constantly manipulated into deeper and deeper depression that manifested as anger, till he snapped.

KHORNE DOES APPROVE!!

Think your talking about betrayer he killed that woman and that kid and everyone in that room because they were the ones who hammered the nails into his brain. So he was kinda pissed about that...

Also Khrone despises the weak he would not get butt hurt if one of his champions killed some innocent people. Hell! He would be like "MORE SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE"

 ThePrimordial wrote:
over 12 feet tall and probably weighing the better part of 8 tons without armor

wat,

The "new" Khorne may approve, the old (and way more interesting) Khorne would likely have not.

 Korinov wrote:
The "new" Khorne may approve, the old (and way more interesting) Khorne would likely have not.

Yeah, Old Khorne was so much better. He killed any of his followers who slaughtered those who couldn't defend themselves or who picked on the weak. He was more interested in the quality of fights and honour. For him, Blood and Skulls came from valiant opponents and glorious duels. I find this new Khorne to be rather one-dimensional; Blood and Skulls simply for the sake of Blood and Skulls... not as memorials and treasures of epic fights.

Uh. Angron's actually among the shorter Primarchs. He's probably more like ten feet at best.


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 Otto Weston wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
The "new" Khorne may approve, the old (and way more interesting) Khorne would likely have not.

Yeah, Old Khorne was so much better. He killed any of his followers who slaughtered those who couldn't defend themselves or who picked on the weak. He was more interested in the quality of fights and honour. For him, Blood and Skulls came from valiant opponents and glorious duels. I find this new Khorne to be rather one-dimensional; Blood and Skulls simply for the sake of Blood and Skulls... not as memorials and treasures of epic fights.

I can't remember this Khorne ever existing in 40K. I've never seen anything to support it, it appears to be the result of nostalgia warping the past.

I don't remember Khorne being like that either and I've been in the hobby 10 years so it must be pretty old.

@ThePrimordial

Even thought that is a very cruel act of murder, it's relatively tame considering everything else in the setting done by humen, Space Marines or Primarchs including Angron did. I don't see what makes it so horrible to you.

epronovost wrote:
@ThePrimordial

Even thought that is a very cruel act of murder, it's relatively tame considering everything else in the setting done by humen, Space Marines or Primarchs including Angron did. I don't see what makes it so horrible to you.

It's pretty tame even for Angron.

Unless we're referring to the hypothetical idealized uncorrupted Khorne who represented bravery, neither do I. (As Yzeentch was hope, Nurgle was loyalty, and Slaanesh would have been love.)

yeah don't see a problem with this, this wasn't him doing it cause "har har I'm slaughtering a woman" this is "... you tortured me, abused me, destroyed me.... I DEMAND VENGENCE!" not exactly moral no... but not exactly something that can't be understood

Yep, the "old" Khorne has got really old at this point. The gods of Chaos were a bit more complex at the beginning, not everything in them was so inherently negative, which actually made their worship more believable. Eventually they were dumbed down as, I guess, GW catered to a younger audience, and thus many things were simplified or written out entirely - like demiorcs in Fantasy and all that.

Angron actually had Napoleonic syndrome due to his short height.


Maybe the woman was taller than him.

"Old" Khorne is actually much the same as current Khorne.
Any blood pleased him, friend or foe. That Kharn the Betrayer is his greatest mortal champion does not speak greatly of his honour.
Here's your old Khorne:

I thought Khorne sought the blood of the worthy, more or less? Not the greatest stomp that possibly could have occurred.
I thought it was very chauvinistic because the difference in physicality was astronomical, and he kinda got off on having so much power over a former tormenter. He was showing off his power by making the greatest possible difference between his opponents and him.
Then again I'm attempting to ascribe traits other than Unadulterated Hate to a guy called Angron.

I imagine Khrone values some deaths above others cause it's harder to acheive, but at the end of the day he's happy with blood. Khorne is basicly, as I understand it, the personification of savage rage and violence. and if you look at human history, that type of thing in our wars seldom discriminates.

@ThePrimordial

Khorn doesn't care about who get's killed he just want the blood to flow at one exception: he doesn't like suicide or sacrifice because they are anathema to conflict and war. That's why he doesn't care about civilians no matter how weak, but dislike those of people like SoB or many Space Marines because they don't care about their own survival.

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows. Notably, Khorne Warbands are infamous for leaving nothing alive, more then any other Chaos God. Even Nurgle tends to semi-spare people in the way of Nurgle's Rot which warps them into daemons or zombifies them, whereas a Khorne invasion tends to result in mass death.

standing a bit under or over 12 feet tall and probably weighing the better part of 8 tons without armor

Hmmm.....flip forward several years in real-world time and Primarchs are twenty feet tall with ten-foot tall marines following them into battle?

 ThePrimordial wrote:

Then again I'm attempting to ascribe traits other than Unadulterated Hate to a guy called Angron.

See, there's your problem. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it does. The fact that it was a woman was for the readers benefit only, to make the scene that much more shocking to you. Wouldn't have mattered if it was a woman, man, puppy dog rolling over to be pet on its itty bitty tum tum....Angron was going to pulp whomever was stupid enough/forced to speak on behalf of Nuceria.

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
The "new" Khorne may approve, the old (and way more interesting) Khorne would likely have not.

Yeah, Old Khorne was so much better. He killed any of his followers who slaughtered those who couldn't defend themselves or who picked on the weak. He was more interested in the quality of fights and honour. For him, Blood and Skulls came from valiant opponents and glorious duels. I find this new Khorne to be rather one-dimensional; Blood and Skulls simply for the sake of Blood and Skulls... not as memorials and treasures of epic fights.

I concur. Old Khorne actually would have made sense as a manifestation of multiple aspects of war, while now he's just a GOD OF BLUD AND SKUHLZ, which is a HUGE part of the reason that I think there are many minor Chaos Gods.

Khorne wants blood and slaughter and violence and war. He doesn't care how it happens, so long as it does happen.

Angron wanted to kill them. Angron killed them. He didn't care if someone or something would or would not approve of it.

Besides, it was pretty merciful compared to what Curze would have done. Angron plain squished them. Curze would have made them juggle their own entrails to teach people a lesson.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
The "new" Khorne may approve, the old (and way more interesting) Khorne would likely have not.

Yeah, Old Khorne was so much better. He killed any of his followers who slaughtered those who couldn't defend themselves or who picked on the weak. He was more interested in the quality of fights and honour. For him, Blood and Skulls came from valiant opponents and glorious duels. I find this new Khorne to be rather one-dimensional; Blood and Skulls simply for the sake of Blood and Skulls... not as memorials and treasures of epic fights.

I concur. Old Khorne actually would have made sense as a manifestation of multiple aspects of war, while now he's just a GOD OF BLUD AND SKUHLZ, which is a HUGE part of the reason that I think there are many minor Chaos Gods.

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Animus wrote:
"Old" Khorne is actually much the same as current Khorne.
Any blood pleased him, friend or foe. That Kharn the Betrayer is his greatest mortal champion does not speak greatly of his honour.
Here's your old Khorne:

Old Khorne has always made sense as a God of murder. It was never honorable. Stop ascribing things to Khorne that he doesn't need. The real question is, if Angron did mash a woman to a bloody pulp in such a gruesome manner, what did the woman do? It's a lot of effort and time of a demigod of a daemon to spend on just one mortal.