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I think think the GK have some of the coolest background stories. In the codex it says that the Original 8 space marines that made up the GK were from all different legions. This includes loyal marines who left the traitor legions during the heresy. Is there any fluff out there with details on who they were?

The Knights Errants of Malcador :
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knights-Errant

I count 13 of them, with four dead and one critically injured. Assumed the latter will soon die of his wounds, that brings the count to 8.

Engrenages wrote:
The Knights Errants of Malcador :
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knights-Errant

I count 13 of them, with four dead and one critically injured. Assumed the latter will soon die of his wounds, that brings the count to 8.

Thanks!

You're welcome

Except that doesn't include Fel Zharost, of the Night Lords, or the Salamander from The Gates of Terra, both of whom also become Knights Errant.

Guess we still have time to see two more dying.

Also, we assume the Knights Errant become the first Grey Knights, but we don't actually know 100%. It's a safe bet but it isn't certain yet.

Also in Panodrax novel its heavily hinted that Zaheriel from the Dark Angels HH Books is one of the founding 8 and the most powerful psyker wise of the 8. He was bent on avoiding the DA that deployed on Panodrax to reinforce the catachen IG there. Even chastised Draigo......

All we know is that the knights errant were the forerunners of the GK. The only for sure one of the 8 is a dark angel who is hinted to being unintentionally part of the fallen, and given his psyker skills is most likely Zaheriel. Alternatively its been thought that Zaheriel is Cypher....so until we know more all that is certain a heresy era Dark Angels was part of the 8

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also, we assume the Knights Errant become the first Grey Knights, but we don't actually know 100%. It's a safe bet but it isn't certain yet.

Indeed, in fact we have to consider the Grey Knight founders spent an "undetirmined time" in the warp. basicly long eneugh to emerge as an entire chapter. it's ENTIRELY possiable that the Knight Errants TRAINED the Grey Knights, but did not, in fact BECOME them

BrianDavion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also, we assume the Knights Errant become the first Grey Knights, but we don't actually know 100%. It's a safe bet but it isn't certain yet.

Indeed, in fact we have to consider the Grey Knight founders spent an "undetirmined time" in the warp. basicly long eneugh to emerge as an entire chapter. it's ENTIRELY possiable that the Knight Errants TRAINED the Grey Knights, but did not, in fact BECOME them

This is what I believe, that the Marines Errant were the ones that trained up the recruits for the new Chapter.

Also from an interview of Decembers WD with James Swallow back in 2012

"But the questions I get asked most about Garro are about his future. Where will he end up? What is the significance of the colourless armour he wears in service to Malcador the Sigillite? Will he face Mortarion again? All these things will be answered in time, but I'll leave you with one revelation. He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..."

 Pilau Rice wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also, we assume the Knights Errant become the first Grey Knights, but we don't actually know 100%. It's a safe bet but it isn't certain yet.

Indeed, in fact we have to consider the Grey Knight founders spent an "undetirmined time" in the warp. basicly long eneugh to emerge as an entire chapter. it's ENTIRELY possiable that the Knight Errants TRAINED the Grey Knights, but did not, in fact BECOME them

This is what I believe, that the Marines Errant were the ones that trained up the recruits for the new Chapter.

Also from an interview of Decembers WD with James Swallow back in 2012

"But the questions I get asked most about Garro are about his future. Where will he end up? What is the significance of the colourless armour he wears in service to Malcador the Sigillite? Will he face Mortarion again? All these things will be answered in time, but I'll leave you with one revelation. He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..."

it certinly would be an intreasting twist. for all we know Janus and the rest are infant children on the black ships as of the Heresy.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also, we assume the Knights Errant become the first Grey Knights, but we don't actually know 100%. It's a safe bet but it isn't certain yet.

Indeed, in fact we have to consider the Grey Knight founders spent an "undetirmined time" in the warp. basicly long eneugh to emerge as an entire chapter. it's ENTIRELY possiable that the Knight Errants TRAINED the Grey Knights, but did not, in fact BECOME them

This is what I believe, that the Marines Errant were the ones that trained up the recruits for the new Chapter.

Also from an interview of Decembers WD with James Swallow back in 2012

"But the questions I get asked most about Garro are about his future. Where will he end up? What is the significance of the colourless armour he wears in service to Malcador the Sigillite? Will he face Mortarion again? All these things will be answered in time, but I'll leave you with one revelation. He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..."

Interesting!

It makes sense, seen as their gene-seed would not be Grey Knight gene-seed!

True, then again Codex Grey Knights did say that the first Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights, Janus, was one of the eight space marines Malcador had gathered. So the first eight Grey Knights are, at least, not using the Grey Knights geen-seed.

 lcmiracle wrote:
True, then again Codex Grey Knights did say that the first Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights, Janus, was one of the eight space marines Malcador had gathered.

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That still could be true though, he could just have a different geneseed to the Grey Knights.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Also, we assume the Knights Errant become the first Grey Knights, but we don't actually know 100%. It's a safe bet but it isn't certain yet.

Indeed, in fact we have to consider the Grey Knight founders spent an "undetirmined time" in the warp. basicly long eneugh to emerge as an entire chapter. it's ENTIRELY possiable that the Knight Errants TRAINED the Grey Knights, but did not, in fact BECOME them

This is what I believe, that the Marines Errant were the ones that trained up the recruits for the new Chapter.

Also from an interview of Decembers WD with James Swallow back in 2012

"But the questions I get asked most about Garro are about his future. Where will he end up? What is the significance of the colourless armour he wears in service to Malcador the Sigillite? Will he face Mortarion again? All these things will be answered in time, but I'll leave you with one revelation. He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..."

Interesting!

It makes sense, seen as their gene-seed would not be Grey Knight gene-seed!

This is how I've seen it. But in Pandorax a 10,000 yeard old Grey Knight has his old Gene - Seed swapped with the new stuff. Which seems ludicrous to me.

Pandorax wrote:Epimetheus tucked his arms and legs in as the ground quickly came up to meet him. It had been ten thousand years since he had free-fallen from a moving craft – in the days before he had sworn his new oaths and his gene-seed swapped out for that containing the Emperor’s own biological material – but the memory of it came easily to him.

So who piggin' well knows

Well Garro certainly isn't one, has been confirmed by the writers. The rest...well, assuming "change of geneseed" sinply refers to the Prognoid glands, that'll still likely kill the Marine, given that 1 gland is in the chest and you need to saw through the ribcage (including the Black Carapace) to get to it, and the other in the neck.

That said, all GK are Psykers, and I don't expect any exceptions would be made for the original 8. It would actually be a bonehead move. How can you train new recruits to use powers if you yourself are not a psyker?

 Deadshot wrote:
Well Garro certainly isn't one, has been confirmed by the writers. The rest...well, assuming "change of geneseed" sinply refers to the Prognoid glands, that'll still likely kill the Marine, given that 1 gland is in the chest and you need to saw through the ribcage (including the Black Carapace) to get to it, and the other in the neck.

That said, all GK are Psykers, and I don't expect any exceptions would be made for the original 8. It would actually be a bonehead move. How can you train new recruits to use powers if you yourself are not a psyker?

Is it possible that removed or altered their original geneseed through more esoteric or psychic means? I mean Malcador had access to some of the most advanced and ancient tech available short of the Mechanicus itself given that the Grey Knights were provided their special Nemesis wargear and equipment. It wouldn't be that far removed to think they had another way of having the Emperor's geneseed/DNA encoded into them.

From what I can tell some of the Knights Errant were already powerful psykers or former librarians like the Ultramarine Tylos Rubio. So they do have some measure of experience from the first 8.

and it's possiable something could be done to make them psykers. normally that;s not possiable. but where the emperor is concerned the "impossiable" often simply becomes the "moderatly difficult"

Maybe it was just as simple as Rubio covered the Psyker training or something... I mean the first 8 don't nessecarily need to all be psykers do they?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Maybe it was just as simple as Rubio covered the Psyker training or something... I mean the first 8 don't nessecarily need to all be psykers do they?

I guess not but all Grey Knights are psykers, so the Codex says, otherwise they wouldn't be able to use the Nemesis weapons. Also the Codex says.

Malcador’s servants hadchosen each of these recruits carefully; the recruits’ minds deeply probed to see if they bore even the slightest hint of corruption. The recruits were also chosen for their latent psychic gifts, so that once human flesh was implanted with Space Marine organs they would grow in to potent psykers, with a unique control over their abilities.

I think there has been a hint of Garro's latent ability in Flight of the Eienstein but the others like Varren?

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Maybe it was just as simple as Rubio covered the Psyker training or something... I mean the first 8 don't nessecarily need to all be psykers do they?

I guess not but all Grey Knights are psykers, so the Codex says, otherwise they wouldn't be able to use the Nemesis weapons. Also the Codex says.

Malcador’s servants hadchosen each of these recruits carefully; the recruits’ minds deeply probed to see if they bore even the slightest hint of corruption. The recruits were also chosen for their latent psychic gifts, so that once human flesh was implanted with Space Marine organs they would grow in to potent psykers, with a unique control over their abilities.

I think there has been a hint of Garro's latent ability in Flight of the Eienstein but the others like Varren?

Yeah I mean after the first 8 they all would be, but those first 8 wouldn't neccesarily have to be Psykers to train the rest of them, you'd only need one or two really. I mean I'm not saying that they weren't all psykers at the start, just that they wouldn't actually need to be.