Republican introduces bill to dissolve the ATF

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**NuggzTheNinja**

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/234811-republican-bill-would-abolish-atf

Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) has reintroduced legislation to do away with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Sensenbrenner, a senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said the policies under ATF's jurisdiction could be easily incorporated into other agencies. Moreover, he argued, the ATF has become embroiled in too many controversies in recent years, like the botched "Fast and Furious" gun-tracking operation.

"The ATF is a scandal-ridden, largely duplicative agency that lacks a clear mission. Its 'Framework' is an affront to the Second Amendment and yet another reason why Congress should pass the ATF Elimination Act," Sensenbrenner said in a statement.
The ATF has drawn the ire of Republican lawmakers for its proposed ban on an armor-piercing bullet used in AR-15 rifles. Republicans say that hunters frequently use the bullets. The bureau says it initiated the regulation to help protect law enforcement officers from bullets that can pierce armored vests.

Sensenbrenner's bill would transfer the ATF's functions related to guns, explosives and violent crime to the FBI. Meanwhile, responsibilities regarding alcohol and tobacco laws would fall under the Drug Enforcement Administration's jurisdiction.

The ATF director would have 180 days, or about six months, to submit a plan to Congress on how to wind down the agency.

Dissolving the ATF hasn't always been a priority for just Republicans, who generally oppose gun restrictions. Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, previously introduced a bill in 1993 to turn over the ATF's duties to other parts of the Justice Department.

Good...put those fething scumbags on the street. There's really no legitimacy in defending an agency that sells weapons to Mexican drug cartels with one hand, and grabs law abiding Americans' guns with the other.

Not that I see this going anywhere per se, but it's a nice thought.

**Kanluwen**

Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

**Frazzled**

Works for me.

**Nostromodamus**

Do it!

Do it now!

**streamdragon**

Edit: changed my mind, not worth it.

**Kanluwen**

Frazzled wrote:
Works for me.

But then who will you and the NRA have to demonize?

**kronk**

Kanluwen wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Works for me.

But then who will you and the NRA have to demonize?

University of Texas grads...

**NuggzTheNinja**

Kanluwen wrote:
Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

What exactly are their "freaking jobs?"

ATF already has their scandal - it's called Fast and Furious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Let's be honest, the Democrats pander just as much to the illegal alien voterbase. Who do you have a bigger problem with - Americans who exercise their constitutional rights, or illegal immigrants? The answer will be very telling.

**Kanluwen**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

What exactly are their "freakinb jobs?"

Oh you know...
Passing budgets, laws, and all kinds of wonderful things that they get ELECTED for.

Not starting to campaign for reelection by passing useless laws.

ATF already has their scandal - it's called Fast and Furious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

And yet the ATF is still more productive than the skidmarks on democracy that is the Republican Party.

Let's be honest, the Democrats pander just as much to the illegal alien voterbase. Who do you have a bigger problem with - Americans who exercise their constitutional rights, or illegal immigrants? The answer will be very telling.

I don't have a problem with "Americans exercising their Constitutional rights" or "illegal immigrants".

What I do have a problem with is twits who wrap themselves in the American flag while crying foul about their "Constitutional rights being violated" in one regard(gun rights) and screaming for the government to get out of their business, while also claiming that the government needs to "Do Something" about illegal immigration.

Oh, and those same twits also cry about how the government can't regulate guns but should regulate marriage between members of the same sex.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Kanluwen wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

What exactly are their "freakinb jobs?"

Oh you know...
Passing budgets, laws, and all kinds of wonderful things that they get ELECTED for.

Not starting to campaign for reelection by passing useless laws.

ATF already has their scandal - it's called Fast and Furious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

And yet the ATF is still more productive than the skidmarks on democracy that is the Republican Party.

This doesn't even warrant a response. Elaborate or stop trolling my thread.

**Kanluwen**

Oh, is it "trolling" to say that this is a farce?

It's an elected official pandering to the voter block that he's going to be sucking up to in the next election. Rather than actively doing his job, he's introducing nonsense bills that he knows will not get anywhere.

That way he can say that he tried, but Washington is just too dang corrupt for this small town boy.

'Merica.

**whembly**

Kanluwen wrote:
Oh, is it "trolling" to say that this is a farce?

It's an elected official pandering to the voter block that he's going to be sucking up to in the next election. Rather than actively doing his job, he's introducing nonsense bills that he knows will not get anywhere.

That way he can say that he tried, but Washington is just too dang corrupt for this small town boy.

'Merica.

Kan...

How is it any different than Reid/Pelosi/Obama pandering to their base in the passage of PPACA? At the time, when most polls show the majority weren't in favor of it?

**NuggzTheNinja**

Kanluwen wrote:
Oh, is it "trolling" to say that this is a farce?

It's an elected official pandering to the voter block that he's going to be sucking up to in the next election. Rather than actively doing his job, he's introducing nonsense bills that he knows will not get anywhere.

That way he can say that he tried, but Washington is just too dang corrupt for this small town boy.

'Merica.

Kanluwen wrote:

And yet the ATF is still more productive than the skidmarks on democracy that is the Republican Party.

This is trolling.

If you knew what you were talking about, which you do not, you would know that in 1993 a DEMOCRAT put forth legislation to dissolve the ATF.

**Kanluwen**

No, that's called "creative expression".

Otherwise, your statement?

Good...put those fething scumbags on the street. There's really no legitimacy in defending an agency that sells weapons to Mexican drug cartels with one hand, and grabs law abiding Americans' guns with the other.

Not that I see this going anywhere per se, but it's a nice thought.

That's also "trolling".

**easysauce**

Kanluwen wrote:
Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

it is *precisely* their job to do things their voters want them to do...

your comments and attitude are disrespectful, and you certainly dont appreciate it when others critique democrat actions that appeal to democrat voters as pandering to the "latte swilling hipster know it all do nothings"

**TheSilo**

You realize that the largest weapons suppliers of Mexican cartels are in fact US gun stores right?

**Kanluwen**

easysauce wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

it is *precisely* their job to do things their voters want them to do...

What voters have actively stated that they want the ATF disbanded?

your comments and attitude are disrespectful, and you certainly dont appreciate it when others critique democrat actions that appeal to democrat voters as pandering to the "latte swilling hipster know it all do nothings"

You know what else is "disrespectful"?

Voting tools like this into office.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Kanluwen wrote:
No, that's called "creative expression".

Otherwise, your statement?

Good...put those fething scumbags on the street. There's really no legitimacy in defending an agency that sells weapons to Mexican drug cartels with one hand, and grabs law abiding Americans' guns with the other.

Not that I see this going anywhere per se, but it's a nice thought.

That's also "trolling".

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/bill-by-jim-sensenbrenner-would-dissolve-federal-atf-agency-b99306932z1-266361761.html

Again, read and learn something. This isn't a partisan issue. You're making it a partisan issue because...well...we could begin speculating anywhere really.

This isn't the first time this has been proposed. In '93 a DEMOCRAT proposed it.

**easysauce**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh, is it "trolling" to say that this is a farce?

This is trolling.

If you knew what you were talking about, which you do not, you would know that in 1993 a DEMOCRAT put forth legislation to dissolve the ATF.

yes, he is trolling and being rude.

but we all know that when the democrats do it, it must be for the greater good, and when republicans do it, it must be double pluss ungood, and pandering to redneck bible thumpers.

*rolls eyes*

good on em, ATF is way out of line and needs to be done away with, plenty of other "three letter" federal groups that can do what it is supposed to, without all the over reach.

**Xenomancers**

Kanluwen wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Oh look.

Instead of doing their freaking jobs, the Republicans are pandering to their "Dun touch mah guns!" voterbase.
Again.

I wonder if this is going to be ATFGate. Maybe ATFghazi?

What exactly are their "freakinb jobs?"

Oh you know...
Passing budgets, laws, and all kinds of wonderful things that they get ELECTED for.

Not starting to campaign for reelection by passing useless laws.

ATF already has their scandal - it's called Fast and Furious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

And yet the ATF is still more productive than the skidmarks on democracy that is the Republican Party.

Let's be honest, the Democrats pander just as much to the illegal alien voterbase. Who do you have a bigger problem with - Americans who exercise their constitutional rights, or illegal immigrants? The answer will be very telling.

I don't have a problem with "Americans exercising their Constitutional rights" or "illegal immigrants".

What I do have a problem with is twits who wrap themselves in the American flag while crying foul about their "Constitutional rights being violated" in one regard(gun rights) and screaming for the government to get out of their business, while also claiming that the government needs to "Do Something" about illegal immigration.

Oh, and those same twits also cry about how the government can't regulate guns but should regulate marriage between members of the same sex.

The situation is so screwed man. How can anyone actually align with ether party right now and claim to be a decent human being? On social issues I'm more liberal and on maters of economics and the constitution im more conservative. I'm not even close to being a libertarian because I realize that the state is essential to civilization.

Seems so plainly right to me that law abiding citizens should be able to have whatever weapons they want and marry whoever they want. FFS people our constitution was written to enable liberty! Not take it away. More OT, The ATF is an over-bloated and corrupt organization that could use a shakedown - really it doesn't even need to exist. Just pass along all it's responsibilities to the FBI and call it a day.

**whembly**

TheSilo wrote:
You realize that the largest weapons suppliers of Mexican cartels are in fact US gun stores right?

Incorrect. It's from Central/South American counties..

**Janthkin**

Some people can't have nice things....

This thread started badly. If you can discuss it rationally, you can have a new thread. If you screw it up again, you can't...and some of you likely will lose OT privileges for a while.