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Could the Emperor have been a C"Tan?

No. We know how the Emperor came to be, and as old as he is his age is nothing compared to the C'Tan.

Doubt it, given that the C'tan are kind of the polar opposites of the Gods of Chaos since they are masters of the physical realm whereas the Chaos Gods are masters over most of the empyrean. Ergo the Warp is largely an anathema to the C'tan given how divorced they are from the warp and this innate lack of understanding means that it would rule them out given that the Emperor is a known psychic powerhouse and had the knowledge and ability to not only create further psychics (i.e. Magnus the Red) but be a big enough threat in the warp with his presence that the Chaos Gods teamed up to stop him.

Who said that the Emperor came from thousands of shamen fusing into one being then? Was it the emperor himself or were there witnesses to the event?


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Also didn't the chaos gods appear after the Emperor?

 mondo80 wrote:


Also didn't the chaos gods come after the Emperor?

Couldn't have actually, because the Eldar birthed Slaanesh before the Emperor was around and Slaanesh is the "youngest" of the chaos gods. Far as I know that was earlier than the Emperor being around anyways.

^^ This is actually both true and false. Slaanesh birth screams not only destroyed much of the elder race but it blew away the warp storms that were surrounding earth which as a result began the Great Crusade. However since the warp realm where time is meaningless Slannesh has always existed even before it was "born"!

 mondo80 wrote:
Who said that the Emperor came from thousands of shamen fusing into one being then? Was it the emperor himself or were there witnesses to the event?


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Also didn't the chaos gods appear after the Emperor?

No one said it actually, we were explicitly told as the readers.

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:

 mondo80 wrote:


Also didn't the chaos gods come after the Emperor?

Couldn't have actually, because the Eldar birthed Slaanesh before the Emperor was around and Slaanesh is the "youngest" of the chaos gods. Far as I know that was earlier than the Emperor being around anyways.

No, the Emperor was already around 38,000 years old when Slaanesh was created. Slaanesh's birth is what calmed the warp enough for the Emperor to kick off the Great Crusade.

 Orblivion wrote:


No, the Emperor was already around 38,000 years old when Slaanesh was created. Slaanesh's birth is what calmed the warp enough for the Emperor to kick off the Great Crusade.

Ah, well there you go then, I stand corrected. Regardless, I imagine the other chaos gods would have to be older than that though. You know of any fluff placing their timeline?

IIRC most of the chaos gods gained self awareness throughout the middle ages. That being said they did exist as ideas or concepts probably since the dawn of the human race.

Nugle->;Bubonic Plague (1346)

Khorne->;Crusades- (1291)

Tzeech->; Rennasance? (1265)

Enron wrote:
IIRC most of the chaos gods gained self awareness throughout the middle ages. That being said they did exist as ideas or concepts probably since the dawn of the human race.

Nugle->;Bubonic Plague (1346)

Khorne->;Crusades- (1291)

Tzeech->; Rennasance? (1265)

Slanesh Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll (1960s-70s)

lol more like 798.M30

Surprisingly the 60's and 70's were not enough to do it! lol

Didn't the birth of Slaanesh cause the warp storms around terra, which led to old night or whatever?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Didn't the birth of Slaanesh cause the warp storms around terra, which led to old night or whatever?

Yea but he didn't fully form until the Fall of the Eldar. His actual birth caused the warp storms to dissipate. So the whole birthing process lasted roughly 5000 years, the same time as Old Night and the degeneration of the Eldar. At least that's my understanding of the event.

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Didn't the birth of Slaanesh cause the warp storms around terra, which led to old night or whatever?

Yea but he didn't fully form until the Fall of the Eldar. His actual birth caused the warp storms to dissipate. So the whole birthing process lasted roughly 5000 years, the same time as Old Night and the degeneration of the Eldar. At least that's my understanding of the event.

Huh. Long labour. So like the Warpstorms coalesced as s/he was 'in utero' and then dissipated as s/he was actually born?

Yep. The Eldar really messed up on that one.

Since we have very little clue on what is a C'Tan beside a star devoring super being or how they are born, it's still possible for the Emperor to be a C'Tan, a shard of C'Tan or even some sort of juvenile C'Tan. It is how ever very unlikely and I don't see what it would bring to the setting.

For the Chaos Gods birth, Slaanesh is the youngest followed by Tzeentch, than Nurgle and Khorne is the oldest. Slaanesh creation started when the eldar started to decade in 20K and was born right before the Great Crusade in 30K, killing with it's birth 99% of the eldar population and their most developped worlds letting the other into Chaos and the survivor struggling for their lives.

The three other gods of chaos would have been born has a side effect of the War in Heaven. The powers unleashed by the Old Ones against the C'Tan and the Necrons helped in their creation. They litteraly weaponised the Warp and so the Chaos Gods were born and everybody after that got stuck with them.

^^That is completely incorrect. It is explicitly stated in several sources (ie. Realm of Chaos) that the chaos gods (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeech) were created gained self awareness specifically through humans actions/emotions.

The passage you are referring to in the war of heaven states that due to the war in heaven the warp became unsettled and violent and opposed to tranquil and peaceful as it was before due to the manipulation of the old ones to create more races that were attuned to the warp....It doesn't state the chaos gods were created as a result of this.

The emperor most likely cannot be a star god. As several posters have already stated the star gods are gods of the Material or Physical Universe. The warp or Immaterium is an anathema to them they have no connection to it and its stated many times to be their greatest weaknesses. We as readers know how the Emperor was born and what his connection to the warp is. It is very unlikely bordering on impossibility that the emperor is a star god. He most likely fought a shard of the Void Dagon and had no idea what it was.

Also C'tan tend to consume their followers and until recent events the Emperor has not had to do that! lol

@Enron

Why human actions and emotion? Trillions of eldar needed to go insane to create a single Chaos God in 10 000 years and a few million human who aren't nearly has psychic made three? That doesn't make sense. Maybe in the Fantasy univers, but not really in the 40K one.

PS: the Golden Throne of the Emperor consume a thousand person per day to allow him to stay «alive». But, like I said before, it doesn't make much sense for him to be a C'Tan.

Thats 40k my man. Lots of stuff is pretty ambiguous

The chaos gods are intrinsically tied to the human race which is why the Emperor posed such a threat to them. His teachings of the Imperial Truth through ignorance of the warp robbed them of the power they needed to continue to exist (ie. human emotion to the level the chaos gods fed on). That's not to say other races do not directly contribute to these powers through their own emotions. However if humanity were to be wiped out the chaos gods would fade away with us.

Again the chaos gods did gestate/slumber/coalesce during pre-humanity however they gained sentience or self awareness due to humanity.

The emperor being a C'tan is pretty unlikely, mainly because he is psychic and the C'tan aren't.

its increasingly possible that he is Archaon tho