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Hey guys,

Had a query come up in a game I was playing the other evening, and thought I should check that we played it correctly?

Scenario: Aleph active turn. Aleph hacker is immobilised and tries to do a reset. In ARO a Haqqislam hacker is using a 'brainbust' attack on her, while at the same time a nearby Ghulam is shooting the hacker also.

Do the Haqqislam and Aleph hackers do an F2F roll (the brainburst vs. reset) and then the Ghulam has an unopposed/normal role with his shot? Or, is it all a combined F2F with all three units?

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Dublin

you have FtF interaction when the targeted model's action / reaction can cancel the attacks
Reset avoids Hacking attacks / Comms attacks
Dodge avoids Shooting attacks / CC attacks

In this case, reset and brain blast are FtF while the shot is unopposed

 
   
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Ah, that's a helpful explanation (and makes sense!)

Thanks for posting TanKol

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Thread title is now reference to a quite poor film with Brad Pitt/Harrison Ford from some years ago (if anyone recognises it!)

Another question for anyone who can help! (thought I would stick to the same thread rather than start a new one each time)

Situation below:



Ekdromoi (X) has used AD in a previous action to land behind foolishly faced Kaplan soldiers (A and B). He spends an order to shoot, killing Kaplan A.

The question is, can Kaplan B then react in any way? We couldn't find a rule that said he could change facing (despite this seeming to be counter-intuitive, he has just seen his squad mate gunned down in front of him!)

Alert says » "The user must have LoF to an active enemy who declares
or executes an Orde
r."

Change facing says

REQUIREMENTS
A figure can only declare this ARO if either of these is true:
» An allied declares an Alert ARO.
» An enemy declares or carries out an Order inside the
Zone of Control of the user


So, once again, neither of these situations is applicable.

In this case, we played it that Kaplan B couldn't react in any way. The sneaky Aleph spends another order to shoot, and makes an unopposed shot on Kaplan B.
Is this correct?

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Yep, that's right as far as the ARO options go.

However, after you're done rolling dice the Warning! mechanic is going to apply and everyone within 8" of the guy you shot in the back (including the guy you shot in the back) is going to get a roll-free opportunity to turn around.

That orientation change granted by Warning! isn't Change Facing because no roll is required (and it's not a retroactive dodge), just the combination of:
  • You didn't declare an ARO and aren't the active model(s)
    *You're within 8" of someone who was targeted by an attack
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    Ah! I missed that rule. Think my Kaplan is angry at me now..

    Many thanks Solkan, will have to remember that for the next game

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    Another rule question I hope someone can assist with!

    I was thinking of making use of Hafza in my Qapu Khalqi list, specifically their 'Holoprojector' special rule. The idea is that I use them to bolster link team sizes of a more expensive unit, disguise my lieutenant etc.

    My questions are:
    - Can a Hafza disguise itself as something like a Jannisary?
    - How I do handle this with regards to 'open' lists that I have to show my opponent before playing a game (especially at an ITS etc?) Do I have to show that I have Hafza on my list?

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    Dublin

    Your Hafza can be any S2 model, so a Janissary is fine
    but as soon as the link team does something else than move/cautious move, the disguise is gone (even if it's not the Hafza who's shooting)
    Your open list needs to reflect what you put on the table during deployment, so you might need a pile of "fake" open lists for all your potential hafza combinations

     
       
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    OK thanks Tanklol. My plan is to have my Hafza Lt. disguised as a Janissary at the back of the board. Will hopefully discourage cheeky drop troopers.

    Thanks, yes I did read on the Infinity Wiki about use in link teams (i.e. the moment someone fires the disguise is lost)

    Just found out the online army builder has got an 'open list' option which excludes the regular stuff (AD, Lieutenant etc.) - but also the Hafza, so I guess that answers that question!

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    I can tell you from personal experience that that plan does not always work as intended. Janissaries can be a bit threatening and thus a targeted :( I've gone LoL a couple of times trying that. Disguising the Hafza as an Odalisque works though Couldn't possibly be a Lt.

     
       
     
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