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Dakka,

I was wondering if it is legal to take multiple of formations in an army. Say 3x necron harvests,?

Yes, as long as you satisfy all the requirements.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes, as long as you satisfy all the requirements.

Also, uniques are still unique.

 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
Dakka,

I was wondering if it is legal to take multiple of formations in an army. Say 3x necron harvests,?

In case you want rules evidence, all quotes from the Choosing Your Army section of the core rule book...

"A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments."

"There is no limit to the number of Detachments a Battle-forged army can include..."

"Formations are a special type of Detachment..."

1, 2, 3... Formations are detachment, you must organize your army into detachments and you can have as many detachments as you want.

It should be noted, however, that most Tournaments only allow 2 detachments, and that most "friendly" gamers will not be very "friendly" with 3+ Canoptek harvest formations

 Galef wrote:
It should be noted, however, that most Tournaments only allow 2 detachments, and that most "friendly" gamers will not be very "friendly" with 3+ Canoptek harvest formations

It should also be noted that most tournaments employ house rules and aren't relevant to a YMDC question

And if you're worried about 3+ Canoptek Harvests with little else in the army... you probably need to practice and become a better player. Go ahead and take down my Flyers with your almost total lack of shooting, assault my Burna Boyz and die in the Wall of Fire, keep pace with my Jetbikes, etc.

In my experience, most friendly players will have no problem playing against this. It's the competitive players who aren't actually very good at the game cry foul when they don't like your list. "It's broken! (mainly because I haven't yet downloaded an internet army list designed to beat it)."

Didn't mean it like that. I just wanted to make the OP aware of his general environment before he goes out an buys 18 Wraiths, just to find out that his local gaming area either forbids it (tournaments) or dont want to play against it (casual games).

I didn't make that clear, which is what I get for hastily typing messages while at work.

Personally, I'd love to play against 3 Harvest formations. My WraithKnights & Daemons would find that fun, win or lose

 Galef wrote:
Didn't mean it like that. I just wanted to make the OP aware of his general environment before he goes out an buys 18 Wraiths, just to find out that his local gaming area either forbids it (tournaments) or dont want to play against it (casual games).

I didn't make that clear, which is what I get for hastily typing messages while at work.

Personally, I'd love to play against 3 Harvest formations. My WraithKnights & Daemons would find that fun, win or lose

Hence my winky Ork face!

I would agree in principal that you need to know your local group. I rolled into a local FLGS to play in a tournament one time. It wasn't a store I commonly played at. I brought a variation on the Farsight/Shadowsun Bomb list and annihilated everyone. It was brutal and one sided. I actually won the sportsmanship award, so I don't think they hated me... but I was asked nicely to never bring that list again. Totally fair. Fortunately, the models in that list can be used to make tons of different lists. If you're playing with a multiple Canoptek Harvest list, you can pretty much use the models only to make... a multiple Canoptek Harvest list.

My rule of thumb is to keep these sorts of theme lists around the 750 point level. Make your full army lists a little more varied and they'll be more fun not only to play, but to play against... and isn't fun sort of the point of all of this?

I play Eldar & Daemons primarily, but have played Necrons off & on for years. I am currently building/painting 2 Harvest formations, but I have no idea what (if anything at all) to field them with.

I would be very interested to playtest my 700pts of 2 Harvest formations vs a variety of my own Eldar & Daemons. I cant think of anything (at 700pts) that could match that many Wraiths with the models I own.

 Galef wrote:
I play Eldar & Daemons primarily, but have played Necrons off & on for years. I am currently building/painting 2 Harvest formations, but I have no idea what (if anything at all) to field them with.

I would be very interested to playtest my 700pts of 2 Harvest formations vs a variety of my own Eldar & Daemons. I cant think of anything (at 700pts) that could match that many Wraiths with the models I own.

My primary army is Tau. A maxed out unit of Wraiths is effectively 12 T5 Wounds with a 3+ armour save. I realize the save is invulnerable, but the bulk of my shooting is AP 4 or worse.

So...

12 Wraiths incoming. That's 240 points worth of models. I'll get at least one shooting phase, possibly two. Let me use my basic Troops choice with a basic HQ... 240 points worth.

That's a Cadre Fireblade and 2x units of Fire Warrios at 12 Warriors in one unit and 8 in the other. This is exactly the same price as 6 Wraiths.

The Tau will, of course, remain stationary. The Fireblade will be in the larger unit.

Assume you deploy on the line and I deploy a half inch behind the line.

I go first...
1. My range is 30". At this range I get 34 shots (Gotta love Volley Shot). I will hit with 17.7 of these shots. I will wound with 8.8 of these hits. You will fail 2.94 of these wounds. That's 1 Wraith dead and another at half strength. We are now 24.5" apart.
2. You move 12" forward and then run another 6" since you can't make a 12.5" charge (I'm giving you the max here). We are now 6.5" apart.
3. I'm within Rapid Fire Range. I now get 55 shots. I will hit with 28.5 of these shots. I will wound with 14.25 of these hits. You will fail 4.75 of these wounds. That's a 3 more dead Wraiths. You're down to 2. We are now 6.5" apart.
4. You move up to within 1" range and declare an assault. I declare Overwatch, using the Supporting Fire rule to allow both units to fire. At this range I get 42 shots (Volley Fire, Overwatch and Range mean my number of shots keeps changing). I will hit with 7 of these shots. I will wound with 3.5 of these hits. You will fail 1.17 of these wounds. At this point, your charge goes off. You are left with 2 Wraiths and 1 only has 1 wound left. Unless you purchased whip coils, I'll go first in combat and will likely cause a single wound, killing off the 5th Wraith. Of course, the extra 18 points will net me two more Fire Warriors and that Wraith dies to shooing before he hits combat anyways.

So, realistically, you assault one of my units with a single Wraith. That Wraith dies during the subsequent shooting phase from the other unit. If you go first, I do 3 less wounds and am charged with 2 or 3 Wraiths instead of 1. Those Wraiths still die to shooting in the subsequent Shooting phase.

So... Wraiths are great versus close combat units. They're not great against basic shooty troops.