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I happen to like the sacred numbers associated with the chaos gods. Its another neat little quirk written into the fluff that makes me feel closer to the 40k universe and makes the chaos gods feel more fleshed out to me. In Norse mythology, Thor is the god of thunder, war and oak trees. Actual historical mythology is riddled with things like this: plants, trees, foods, numbers that followers of a particular god find sacred, but little things like this are falling into obscurity and that makes me sad.

So, here's what I think: give units with a particular god mark a bonus for taking units with a number of models equal to the sacred number of their god. If an independent character joins the unit, they count towards this bonus. For example, if I have a unit of Berzerkers and a chaos lord with MoK, i need to take a total of 7 Berzerkers and have the Lord join them to gain the Khorne bonus, (or take 8 berzerkers total, and leave the lord out in the open to get shot by stray lascannons).

Tzeench (9): Psykers gain +1 to harness warp charges and Soul Blaze from bolters is resolved with AP improved by 1

Khorne (8): Champion gains Instant Death in challenges, unit gains +1 to denial rolls

Nurgle (7): improves FnP to 5+

Slaanesh (6): Champion gains +1 I in challenges, unit gains fleet, +1" to run rolls

I can't come up with anything fun for Nurgle, but I like the rest. Thoughts?

CSM should have free ussr hatred: space marines.

well I don't disagree with you, but that's another thread, I think. Unless you think Hatred (SM) is a bonus for taking units by magic number, which sounds really dull.

It should be decided in list building not in game. Otherwise casualties and ICs leaving/joining could throw up all sorts of unexpected rules hurdles.

Do 8 thousand sons with Ahriman count as 9 or still 8?

I agree that the number should be what they are starting with, not where they end up.

Tzeench harness warp charges on 3+
Khorne 6s to hit count as 2 hits
Nurgle reroll feel no pain
Slaanesh gain feel no pain 6+ and rage. (She has aspects of the other gods, after all)

Edit: to hits for Khorne only in melee

And daemons from the codex that have the sacred number gain the daemon of bonuses instead. They are showing a greater devotion than others normally would.

I dont agree with slaanesh bonus. I suggest instead a bonus to BS and WS to represent acuity. The icon of excess confer fnp and cost a good amount of points. Should not be free.

Massive bookkeeping problems. Also +1 to harness Warp Charge in nine-model units is silly.

Do they loose bonuses when they've suffered casualties or got someone joining them? Cause, well, the numbers have changed.

I liked the way Chaos used to be before 'chaos undecided' turned up.
A Chaos force HAD to taken from one gods pantheon and have starting strength of the gods number before they got any bonuses from the Chaos gods.

Also allies could only be from an non opposed theme pantheon.

EG Khorne and Nurgle could ally.But Tzench and Khorne could not.

The chaos gods gifts were given at the start of the battle to units with the gods number.
(I assumed only units with the chaos gods specific number in the unit were heard by the chaos gods.)

Maybe +1 FNP for Nurgle, then you can take standard CSMs in a unit of 7 and have this benefit.


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 koooaei wrote:
Do 8 thousand sons with Ahriman count as 9 or still 8?

He said an IC counts towards the bonus, so 9

The 3rd edition CSM rules were quite simple for this. In that editon, champions were always a purchased upgrade, but if you took the sacred number the champion upgrade was free.

Neat, simple, not too overpowered for a free perk, and didn't require any bookkeeping.

They have kind of started this. In the Kharns Butcharhorde (SP?) the units get to double there base attacks if they roll an 8 on there charge distance.

going with the theme of rolling there numbers how about:

Tzeench- if your total warp charges for the turn is 9 (base plus roll) add 3 additional to your warp charges only.
Nurgle- if Plague marine "hit" on 7 attacks there Plague Knifes become Poison +3vice +4
Slaneesh- When in CC roll a d6 at the start of the turn if a 6 is rolled the whole unit becomes I6
Khorne- on an eight on the charge distance double base attacks.