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Loving the Skitarii minis. So I am reading up on them to see what they are all about. So I take it they are like the IG, but more mechanized, or androidnized. (I know no such word. ) Reading some more, a lot of them get their memories erased. So to me, it almost looks like they are like Necron Warriors. Automatons, mindless beings doing the masters bidding.

So are Skitarii just like Necrons?

not at all, for a start they're cyborgs and they still have their souls.

There's a pretty recent series about the mechanicus which will give you more background to how they operate.
Priest's of mars, lords of mars and gods of mars

Sooooo sooooooooo soooooooooooooooooooooo far away from one another it isn't funny. AdMech are technology-obsessed cyborgs.

The Necrontyr became what they are now to dominate, rule and be everlasting. The Skitarii became what they are to be rid of the weaknesses of the flesh. They are both flesh made metal, but Necrons are literally a race made metal instead of a dude with metal bits. They might both be dropping flesh to improve efficiency but so are Iron Hands. Would you say the Necrons are the same as the Iron Hands?

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The Necrontyr became what they are now to dominate, rule and be everlasting. The Skitarii became what they are to be rid of the weaknesses of the flesh. They are both flesh made metal, but Necrons are literally a race made metal instead of a dude with metal bits. They might both be dropping flesh to improve efficiency but so are Iron Hands. Would you say the Necrons are the same as the Iron Hands?

Technically, Necrons are currently trying to find a suitable race in which to transfer their essence back into. So, there's that.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The Necrontyr became what they are now to dominate, rule and be everlasting. The Skitarii became what they are to be rid of the weaknesses of the flesh. They are both flesh made metal, but Necrons are literally a race made metal instead of a dude with metal bits. They might both be dropping flesh to improve efficiency but so are Iron Hands. Would you say the Necrons are the same as the Iron Hands?

Actually, the AdMech are aiming to eventually leave the flesh behind and become 100% divine machine, just as the Necrons wished to do.

The real difference is that the AdMech refuse to surrender their souls in the process, although arguably the Necrons didn't know that they were giving theirs up either.

You could consider AdMech to be proto-necrons, if you liked, but unlike the Necrons, the AdMech are 100% divine-providenced humanity, rather than filthy lesser creatures.

The Adeptus Mechanicus want to become machines, as they see that as a more perfect form of existence. The Necrons got their wish - and it turned out to be a curse. Thematically, the Necrons are a warning to the Mechanicus, be careful what you wish for.

That, to me, also explains some of the differences in design (in-universe and out-); the NEcrons are all robots, but a lot of their equipment is manually operated (hand-held rifles, vehicles operated by pilots manipulating controls, etc), while the Mechanicus has much more "inhuman" styling - the slug-like Magos Dominus, hard-wired servitors in Titans and those new walkers, multiple arms, weapons integrated into the bodies of the operators. That's because the Necrons are trying to regain their "humanity" ("Necronity"?), and don't want to adapt themselves away from their biological origins any more than they already have.

It's, more or less, like comparing a 2500 BC sumerian abacus against the Tianhe-2 supercomputer, as both could be used to do "complex" calculations.

Well, probably the technological rift between Necrons and Skitarii goes far far beyond this...

 Kaeldran wrote:
It's, more or less, like comparing a 2500 BC sumerian abacus against the Tianhe-2 supercomputer, as both could be used to do "complex" calculations.

Well, probably the technological rift between Necrons and Skitarii goes far far beyond this...

I love that this is your first ever post on dakkadakka! Welcome!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Adeptus Mechanicus want to become machines, as they see that as a more perfect form of existence. The Necrons got their wish - and it turned out to be a curse. Thematically, the Necrons are a warning to the Mechanicus, be careful what you wish for.

That, to me, also explains some of the differences in design (in-universe and out-); the NEcrons are all robots, but a lot of their equipment is manually operated (hand-held rifles, vehicles operated by pilots manipulating controls, etc), while the Mechanicus has much more "inhuman" styling - the slug-like Magos Dominus, hard-wired servitors in Titans and those new walkers, multiple arms, weapons integrated into the bodies of the operators. That's because the Necrons are trying to regain their "humanity" ("Necronity"?), and don't want to adapt themselves away from their biological origins any more than they already have.

It was only a curse for the Crons because they were tricked though. If the Mechanicus could do it on their own terms it wouldn't nessecarily be the same.

Possibly. That's the sort of thing that depends on the story, so I'm not going to debate it.

 Rippy wrote:

 Kaeldran wrote:
It's, more or less, like comparing a 2500 BC sumerian abacus against the Tianhe-2 supercomputer, as both could be used to do "complex" calculations.

Well, probably the technological rift between Necrons and Skitarii goes far far beyond this...

I love that this is your first ever post on dakkadakka! Welcome!

So many thanks!
I'm an old reader, but a green post-doer (shy and with an awful english, as can be noted, so I dont expect to write too much).

Anyway, concerning the subject Necron-Skitarii, the downslope of the mechanicus into a soulless state like Necrons, could be worse than it looks.
Actually, the Void Dragon, the most powerfull of the C'tan (and most techie) is incarcerated in a vault in the depths of Mars, and not a few clues points in the direction of the mechanicus technology being insidiously influenced by the sinister will of the Void Dragon.

Indeed a dangerous game where the Mechanicus could end losing more than just their meat. And one that could put the Imperium of Man with one of its most dangerous enemies in the gate of his house.

It's important to note that the Necrons didn't become this way through the pursuit of perfection or anything, Just a huge series of bad luck and terrible forward planning.

The Necrons basically had a ton of infighting, and started a war with the old ones to stop their civil wars. They got their ass handed to them, found some gods, got tricked and to survive extinction, went full metal. Also, they got cancer a lot, so metal seemed like a good deal.

Then they lost their souls. (bad deal)

Necrons are varied, but they didnt become metal as a step forward , so much as a , try to avoid cancer and genocide at the hands of the people we attacked.

Szeras, is basically admech though . Function over form, spidery legs, wants to upgrade till he becomes a divine entity, vivisects people to learn about them, all that jazz.

The majotity of the Necrotyr race were rounded up in ghost arks and forced to become Necron (see 5th ed dex). In the process becoming almost mindless machines. It was the hierarchy that decided this.
The skitarii intentionally become less flesh and more machine. And don't lose their sentience even if they lose some memory (would you call people suffering from amnesia mindless machines?).
Servitors on the other hand lose their sentience against their will. If you take out the massive technological gap, servitors that are mostly machine over flesh are more similar to the the majority of the necron race (those that became warriors) than skitarii are.

The line between a mindless combat servitor and a skitarii with only few higher brain functions available, are very thin indeed.

In fact, the most elite skitarii, the praetorians, are considered like pure combat servitors by many of their mechanicus masters.

 Kaeldran wrote:
The line between a mindless combat servitor and a skitarii with only few higher brain functions available, are very thin indeed.

In fact, the most elite skitarii, the praetorians, are considered like pure combat servitors by many of their mechanicus masters.

Tis true that all the emotion and fear centers of the brain have been removed or bypassed but the central processing unit is still the orangic brain.

From the point of the mechanical masters, who have extensive brain augmentation, processing units, data banks, number crunters, net interfaces, and super perceptional augments regular humans probably seem near mindless, so seeing regular humans enhanced for battle, not to think probably seems equally unintelligent.

Thanks everyone for the comments. I have lernt some stuff about the Skitarii now and see the differences.

Greatly appreciated.