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2015/04/14 20:47:34
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm thinking of making a trip to Forgeworld soon (well actually Warhammer world but still) to keep up with the local SM players in my meta and I'm thinking of getting one of the three models mentioned in title.
What are the pros/cons and optimal loadouts of each?
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2015/04/14 20:52:08
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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What are you trying to kill?
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2015/04/14 20:52:17
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Wing Commander
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Fire Raptor for days and days, crunch wise. It's cheaper than two storm talons, but it only takes one slot (the rarely maxed out heavy slot) and is easily more effective than two of the smaller fliers. It's a one-model hard counter to Flyrant Spam, as it will delete a Flyrant per turn with average rolls. Great dogfigher, one of the toughest aircraft around.
Fire Raptor gives you some of the best AA in the game, but at the same time, can tear up medium infantry and medium vehicles on the ground, double quick. And it's hard as hell to kill. Only downside is you can get boned by reserves. A Damocles command rhino can help out with that, and drop an extra orbital nuke on turn 1. Winning!
It will kill more marines than the AP3 whirlwind, every turn. It's better at killing fliers than the sicaran, and about the same killing skimmmers. It just savages tyranids, marines, and eldar.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/04/14 20:54:59
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army  so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
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2015/04/14 21:07:58
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I guess multi-purpose. I'll be starting Mantis Warriors so Divination Psykers w/ Perfect Timing and Prescience are available (and have a 1000 list in Army section) if that helps? The three models would be what I want to add to 1250 and maybe 1500 if my meta goes that high I did initially think Fire Raptor as the model looks amazing to me  but I've heard good things about the Sicaran though and I've been on the receiving end of the Scorpius a few times.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/04/14 21:09:39
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2015/04/14 22:49:39
Subject: Re:Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Ruthless Interrogator
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The Sicaran with the ignores cover legacy of glory is godly, but the fireraptor is nice too. Why not get a Master of the Forge and take both 
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2015/04/15 01:22:08
Subject: Re:Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Tunneling Trygon
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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:The Sicaran with the ignores cover legacy of glory is godly, but the fireraptor is nice too. Why not get a Master of the Forge and take both
I might be blanking and blind despite looking myself. What Legacy does that?
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2015/04/15 01:41:31
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I know the Sicaran can ignore Jink. Scorpius can ignore cover with Battle of Keylek but not too sure on Ignore Cover overall on Sicaran.
Which Legacy should the Fire Raptor have, if any?
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YMDC = nightmare |
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2015/04/15 01:52:45
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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 Frozocrone wrote:I know the Sicaran can ignore Jink. Scorpius can ignore cover with Battle of Keylek but not too sure on Ignore Cover overall on Sicaran.
Which Legacy should the Fire Raptor have, if any?
War of Murder if fighting Chaos Daemons or Tyranids
Icon of Glory for +1 BS
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
 Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
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2015/04/15 11:34:26
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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275points sounds steep but BS5 is nice, with the TL too..
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2015/04/15 12:15:52
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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I don't remember if Fire Raptor has BS5 vs ground stuff (forgot the rule's name); if it already does, no point getting +1 BS
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AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / Fallout Factions: BoS / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion: CIS / WWX: Union
Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
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2015/04/15 12:29:53
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Drakhun
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 Vector Strike wrote:
I don't remember if Fire Raptor has BS5 vs ground stuff (forgot the rule's name); if it already does, no point getting +1 BS
It has strafing run, so it's BS5 against targets on the ground.
I love the fire raptor. Its horrible to go against.
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2015/04/15 13:29:20
Subject: Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Toss-up between the Sicaran and Fire Raptor. The Sicaran is potentially a lot cheaper, and so can fit into more lists.
The Whirlwind Scorpius is the weakest of the three, but is a good unit. It wrecks squads of marines if you can land three shots on a squad.
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2015/04/15 14:14:26
Subject: Re:Fire Raptor Gunship vs Relic Sicaran Battle Tank vs Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I am using a Fire Raptor for my Death Guard and I really like it.
One question though, is there anyway to use a Damocles Command Rhino in a chaos army?
If not, is there any other way for a Chaos Marine army to get a command vox relay?
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