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What line of sight do walkers have?

To put it into context, walkers have their 45 degree arc on their weapons in the shooting phase but what about other abilities which require
LOS in other phases?

Can they charge backwards? Can a BA librarian dread use a blessing on a unit behind it? Both require LOS.

A MC has 360 degree sight so it's a non issue for them but what about walkers? I can't find a single straight answer to this in the brb.

Walkers drawing LOS from their weapons isn't tied specifically to the shooting phase, and it's the only way we are given to draw LOS from them.

 insaniak wrote:
Walkers drawing LOS from their weapons isn't tied specifically to the shooting phase, and it's the only way we are given to draw LOS from them.

So a walker with no guns can't draw LoS at all for declaring a charge?

 CrownAxe wrote:

So a walker with no guns can't draw LoS at all for declaring a charge?

Sure looks that way.

So in theory, using space marine bikes, you can 3/4 surround the imperial knight on its sides and behind and leave it powerless to do anything? It can't draw Los with its guns so therefore can't move?


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Just found this...

LINE OF SIGHT
Line of sight determines what a model can 'see'. Many situations call for you to determine whether or not a model has line of sight. A model normally needs line of sight whenever it wishes to attack an enemy, whether with power sword, gun or psychic power. Line of sight literally represents your warriors' view of the enemy - they must be able to see their foes through, under or over the battlefield terrain and other models (whether friendly or enemy).

For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace a straight, unblocked line from its body (the head, torso, arms or legs) to any part of the target's body.

Walker doesn't change this. Weapons are restricted for their LoS on vehicles.

When firing a vehicle's weapons, ranges are measured from the muzzle of the firing weapon, whilst line of sight is determined from the weapon's mounting point and along its barrel (as explained later).

Walkers charge like infantry, so I'd let them measures line of sight for charging like one.

Actually, on a second look back over the rules, there is indeed no specific 'ignore the normal LOS rules' rule for vehicles. They tell us to draw LOS from the weapons when firing them, but there is nothing that would remove the normal LOS rules when drawing LOS at other times.


So yes, you would be able to draw LOS from any point on the walker's body for the purposes of charging.

Walkers also don't have a 45° firing angle on their guns. The have a 180° angle. It's the front half of the base. Plus they measure to and from the base not each individual weapon For shooting purposes. Yes it is a vehicle but the walkers rules are different.

Please cite rules support for ignoring the rule stating their guns are hill mounted, please. Page and graph will suffice. And for your claim on where you measure.

mhalko1 wrote:
Walkers also don't have a 45° firing angle on their guns. The have a 180° angle. It's the front half of the base. Plus they measure to and from the base not each individual weapon For shooting purposes. Yes it is a vehicle but the walkers rules are different.

I'm intrigued. Where have you found the rules to support these claims? From what I can see, the Shooting with Walkers section on page 90 says otherwise.

mhalko1 wrote:
Walkers also don't have a 45° firing angle on their guns. The have a 180° angle. It's the front half of the base. Plus they measure to and from the base not each individual weapon For shooting purposes. Yes it is a vehicle but the walkers rules are different.

Not true. This is not a thing in the rules.