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The Purge Detachment in the Imperial Armour Vraks book has the Restriction that it uses units from Factions Renegades of Vraks and Chaos Space Marines, so I have two questions about it. First, what Faction is the Primary Detachment then? The Purge as the Primary, Warlord can be Necrosius because he's a Chaos Space Marine Faction Character, uses unita from both Factions so am I not allowed to take an Allied Detachment (proper noun) of Renegades of Vraks OR CSM? Can I take an Allied Detachment of either? Does it matter if that Demigouge guy is the Warlord instead?

Question 2: If I again use the Purge, do I have to use that Renegade Command Squad (the units in an army are 1+ making it a requirement in a Renegades of Vraks Detachment), keeping in mind that Purge pulls from both Factions. Do I have to take it even if I don't have a single Renegade unit in the army? If I just use CSM with this Detachment, does that change anything?

The purge detachment is accessible by both factions. It is not shared both at the the same time.

How do you reach that conclusion? It doesn't have the CAD restriction of 'All units must belong to the same Faction'. What makes it unable to be shared by both at the same time?

In both the description of the detachment and in Slaves to Darkness it says "Renegades or CSM". It doesn't say "Renegades and CSM"

If it said AND instead of OR in the slaves to darkness rule it wouldn't make any sense. No unit could have more then one faction so no unit would have the renegade and CSM factions. This restriction allows for a detachment where each unit can come from either of the two factions and they don't all have to come from a single faction.

I'll admit the description is misleading, but again 'and' would have been the wrong choice. That would mean the detachment always consists of both factions and that's not a requirement either. This is where and/or would have been appropriate. Also, the description doesn't matter, just the restrictions.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The Purge Detachment in the Imperial Armour Vraks book has the Restriction that it uses units from Factions Renegades of Vraks and Chaos Space Marines, so I have two questions about it. First, what Faction is the Primary Detachment then? The Purge as the Primary, Warlord can be Necrosius because he's a Chaos Space Marine Faction Character, uses unita from both Factions so am I not allowed to take an Allied Detachment (proper noun) of Renegades of Vraks OR CSM? Can I take an Allied Detachment of either? Does it matter if that Demigouge guy is the Warlord instead?

Question 2: If I again use the Purge, do I have to use that Renegade Command Squad (the units in an army are 1+ making it a requirement in a Renegades of Vraks Detachment), keeping in mind that Purge pulls from both Factions. Do I have to take it even if I don't have a single Renegade unit in the army? If I just use CSM with this Detachment, does that change anything?

These are the Restrictions from the Allied Detachment in the BRB...

"RESTRICTIONS
This Detachment cannot be your Primary Detachment.
Your Warlord can never be chosen from this Detachment.
All units chosen must have the same Faction (or no Faction).
All units chosen must have a different Faction to any of the units in your Primary Detachment (or no Faction)."

The last line is the one you're interested in. If you make the Purge Detachment your Primary (i.e, you've selected the Warlord from the Purge Detachment), none of the units in your Allied Detachment may share a Faction with any of the units in the Purge Detachment. The Faction of the actual Warlord isn't relevant. The only relevance is that the Purge Detachment is your Primary. If your Purge Detachment is entirely composed of Renegades of Vraks units, you'd be able to take a Chaos Space Marine Allied Detachment as you'd have no common Faction units.

For the second question, if the unit is listed as 1+ on the army list, you're required to take it.

ANY of the units. That's the part I kept blanking on.

So even though the Purge can be taken using only CSM units, not using the Renegades army list at all, that Renegade Command Squad still has to poke it's ugly head in because it can be taken and therefore must? Bit of a hefty tax for the Detachment.