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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/26 18:52:37
Subject: Missles, Rites of Teleportation, and other questions
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1) Yes you can shoot all four missiles in one go. The one issue with fliers is they "can shoot up to four weapons" so if by some chance a flyer has more than 4 weapons it cannot snap shot them as that is shooting more than four weapons.
2) There is nothing in GoI that states they go to reserve or are arriving from deep strike reserve. Some people think that all deep strike = deep strike reserves, but this then brings forth that if that is the case the entire unit is required to have deep strike and had to begin the game in reserves to use deep strike, ie if the unit doesn't have deep strike and was not in reserves at the start of the game they can never use gate- which is silly. No major tournament rules that gate counts as deep strike reserve. You can try to argue it with your friends but there's more showing the unit is not going to / arriving from reserves when they gate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/27 21:38:08
Subject: Re:Missles, Rites of Teleportation, and other questions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BladeWalker wrote:Ahhh I see now! Looks like a Bastion with Comms relay can keep me in the game and with good reserve rolls even while empty. Thanks!
Next question (really appreciate this): Just confirming that the Aegis gives me a reroll of 1's to Deny the Witch even on powers that don't target me. Example: Sneaksie Elvsies cast Invisibility on their Wraithknight, I can Deny on a 6 with re-rolls of 1's correct?
On Maelstrom: You normally get the points for your cards at the end of each of your turns correct? Getting them at the end of the game turn is a ITC adjustment as I understand it.
Many thanks!
You are not using aegis to deny powers that do not target anything, or do not target units that have a model with aegis.
To make a Deny the Witch test, first select one of your units that was a target of the enemy’s psychic power.
if the power does not target an unit you cannot select an unit to deny.
If none of your units were the target of the enemy’s psychic power (the power in question might have been a blessing, a conjuration, or some other power that only affects the Psyker’s own troops) you can still attempt to Deny the Witch. To do so, follow the same process, but apply no modifiers to your dice rolls – you will require rolls of 6 to nullify Warp Charge points.
Aegis
A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule re-rolls results of 1 when making Deny the Witch tests.
the rule clearly calls out the unit with the special rule has to be making the deny test, if you do not get to select an unit to deny with[because none of your units were targets of a psychic power] you cannot get the re-roll.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/27 23:39:29
Subject: Missles, Rites of Teleportation, Buildings, Aegis, and more!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The flaw with that is:
How are you selecting a unit to deny when you are only allowed to select an unit that was a target of the power. You cannot, so powers without a target can never be denied by selecting an unit that was a target of the power, because the target was none of the units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/28 04:06:46
Subject: Missles, Rites of Teleportation, Buildings, Aegis, and more!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There is RAW for what to do it is told you get to roll and need 6's
While it is true the part about selecting an unit cannot be done, because there is no unit that is a target by the RAW- you have specific permission to roll for you. Which is of course not an unit on the table.
Deciding you are allowed to pick an unit that is not a target is breaking the rule of selecting the unit, because the unit is not a target, as well as breaking the rule of what to do when an unit is not a target. It would also thirdly be breaking the rule of aegis as it clearly states the re-roll is for the unit, which means it can only by the rules given in the rulebook be taken for powers that have the unit as one of the powers targets, which is not the case for a blessing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 03:38:35
Subject: Re:Missles, Rites of Teleportation, and other questions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jeffersonian000 wrote: BlackTalos wrote: Grey Templar wrote:The rules for vehicles and embarked passengers are what allows that to occur.
But your attempt to circumvent my logic is cute.
Still, concrete proof by RaW support that your assertion was incorrect.
Just making sure we all know that "Arriving by Deep Strike" does not = "Deep Strike Reserves".
Glad we agreed to it
Except that "arriving by Deep Strike" does equal "arriving from Deep Strike Reserve" per the Deep Strike USR. "Arriving from Deep Strike Reserve" does not equal "arriving from Reserves", because Reserves and Deep Strike Reserve are not the same thing despite using the same word (Reserve).
Other examples where GW uses the same word yet with different meanings are:
Assault Cannons being Heavy weapons, not Assault weapons.
Heavy Flamers being Assault weapons, not Heavy weapons.
SJ
considering the BRB says that deep strike reserves is arriving from reserves by deepstrike, your entire post on this topic has no actual basis in the rules or merit.
When placing the unit in Reserve, you must tell your opponent that it will be arriving by Deep Strike (sometimes called Deep Strike Reserve).
Deep Strike reserves is most undoubtedly arriving from reserves by deep strike, as per the rules, and in no place anywhere do the rules state that deep striking = arriving by deep strike reserves.
GOI does not state anything about reserves, but gives you permission to arrive by deep strike. Are you going to reserves first? Does it state you are arriving from deep strike reserves? No? Then you were never in reserves, and are not arriving from deep strike reserves when using GoI.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 02:52:10
Subject: Missiles, RoT, Buildings, Aegis, Cypher and more!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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When placing the unit in Reserve, you must tell your opponent that it will be arriving by Deep Strike (sometimes called Deep Strike Reserve).
I can't help but be shocked that some people think english grammar states this sentence means deep striking= the unit is always arriving from deep strike reserves.
It is clearly saying that if you have an unit in reserves and it is arriving by deep strike, that you tell your opponent that this is how it is arriving- this is sometimes called deep strike reserves.
It clearly does not state, arriving by deep strike is the same as arriving from reserves by deepstrike.
I don't know if people are trolling, or want to be able to use RoT with GoI so bad they are in complete denial about cheating,perhaps you can explain how the quoted text above deals with anything other than units that begin the game reserve? If you cannot explain it without cherry picking words out of the rules for deepstrike and mashing them together in a way they clearly are not written in the book, please do not bother.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 19:38:51
Subject: Missiles, RoT, Buildings, Aegis, Cypher and more!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jeffersonian000 wrote:To bad you did not bother to read the many threads on this Blaktoof, including this one, as your challenge has been already completed numerous times.
SJ
So no then.
it's okay, I already knew it was no.
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