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I remember I always wanted to play a Black Templar army, but I only got to have a detachment of them back in 6th edition. Then of course, 7th edition GW puts them in with all the other Space Marines. Do you guys think they are better off in the Space Marine Codex or were they better when they had their own?
   
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While it was awesome to have our own codex and not be in the same book as Rowboat Girlyman's chapter, the BT 4th edition codex had overpriced units compared to now and several limitations in place that are all gone now.

Even in the SM book you can make a black tide army with Helbrecht and Grimaldus's bubbles of buffing or load them all up in LRCs and still have your HS slots free for other stuff, like juicy centurions that were otherwise unavailable to you.

The only thing that really disappeared are sword brethren as a unit (which kinda sucked anyways) and some of our vows.

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The BT"s have access to way more units and wargear now that they're in the main SM book.

They retained their unique units and characters (save for Sword Brethren, which really were just footslogging Vanguard vets anyway). Some of the special rules went away, but who knows if those would have survived even if BT's had gotten another "BT-only" codex in any event. A lot of the stuff some people bemoaned losing were simply relics of general 4E SM codex design that changed for all SM armies.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
The BT"s have access to way more units and wargear now that they're in the main SM book.

They retained their unique units and characters (save for Sword Brethren, which really were just footslogging Vanguard vets anyway). Some of the special rules went away, but who knows if those would have survived even if BT's had gotten another "BT-only" codex in any event. A lot of the stuff some people bemoaned losing were simply relics of general 4E SM codex design that changed for all SM armies.


Pretty much, Furious Charge Sword Brothers was because they managed to keep Veteran Skills which the same Veterans for SM had.
   
 
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