Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

This is something I'm asking for the probably distant future of my army (Dark Angels/successor), definitely gonna be a while but wanted to clarify before I potentially waste quite a bit of money.

Now, my support worker who got me into 40k complained that after an outcry from Space Marine players, Baneblades are open to all "Armies of the Imperium" rather than just Imperial Guard.

I gotta say that that sounds rather hokey to me. I've only seen them described as specifically IG vehicles, never just "Imperial" ones.

HOWEVER if that's true it's highly relevant to my interests. I would really quite like a Baneblade variant so if my Angels can have one that'd be brilliant! But I want to make sure so that I don't end up blowing money on the Escalation book (Don't actually want to so much as touch real Apocalypse) and an expensive, complicated model (plus magnets for making it convertible) all for nothing...

To be clear though, just because they're not Marine compatible doesn't mean I'll never get one, since I might end up building an IG army later on, only time will tell.

To the best of my knowledge they cannot. You would have to have a secondary detachment that could use it. And as far as I know none of the forge world space marine lists would allow it.

Edit
though you can take a fellblade, which is similar to a bane blade.

Alright, thank you for letting me know. Honestly I thought that might've been the case.

In an unbound army you can use a bane blade with dark angel units with out any complications. If you want to exchange command benefits like objective secured for a baneblade variant I don't think you will be called crazy but you have to have an oppanant who wont get upset becouse your army is not battle forged.

For battle-forged armies the baneblade's are still Astra Militatium faction. There are, to my knowledge, zero detachments that will allow you to include a lord of war from the astra militatium faction and troops from the dark angels faction. To pull this off you will need either a formation or detachment separate from your DA that includes a baneblade.

Regardless of how you build your army, DA and AM are battle brothers, you can load up dark angel troops into the back of your transport variant baneblade and that is new to 7th edition. That and the whole all imperial forces are always battle brothers thing. Thats probably where your friend got confused, especially if he is under the impression that armies of the imperium is a faction.

I think this FW PDF has the info you want

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf

There are baneblade variants available as Lords of War for guard.

If you dont want unbound, you can have a Dark Angels CAD, and a Guard CAD. The guard CAD just needs 1 HQ and 2 troops, then it can have a LoW. It can be pretty small. The only possible problem I can see is that the Guard CAD has to be primary, so the Guard HQ has to be warlord.

 ColonelFazackerley wrote:
I think this FW PDF has the info you want

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf

There are baneblade variants available as Lords of War for guard.

If you dont want unbound, you can have a Dark Angels CAD, and a Guard CAD. The guard CAD just needs 1 HQ and 2 troops, then it can have a LoW. It can be pretty small. The only possible problem I can see is that the Guard CAD has to be primary, so the Guard HQ has to be warlord.

What leads you to believe that the Astra Militarum detachment would have to be the Primary Detachment in order to include a Lord of War?

The FW PDF says

The following vehicles may be chosen as Lords of War if your primary detachment is from
Codex: Imperial Guard

So, I think it's a restriction from escalation.

I can't find the same restriction in the 7e BRB. So, I guess you are going to tell me that I am out of date.

There is no restriction on the Baneblade in Escalation as far as I can tell.

Escalation does say "the data sheets in this section may only be chosen if your primary detachment is chosen from codex: imperial guard".

However 7e BRB has LoW slots in CADs, and I can't see the same limitation. So, I think you are free to choose a warlord from either CAD.

 ColonelFazackerley wrote:
Escalation does say "the data sheets in this section may only be chosen if your primary detachment is chosen from codex: imperial guard".

This was FAQ'd away in that Escalation basically only acts as a list of LoWs now.

Alright, thank you for clarifying further.

Did know about Dark Angels and Imperial Guard being Battle Brothers, that's why they're one of two detachments I had serious thoughts about (The first being Grey Knights). In any case, certainly all good to know if I do end up making an IG detachment (or even full army!), in that case I simply wouldn't be able to resist having a BB variant (probably a vanilla Baneblade, a Hellhammer or a Shadowsword. My support worker swears by the Stormlord but I'm not sold. Whatever I do it'll be a magnetized "Hexblade" so I'm not locked into one option) in there. Even then, the HQ + 2 Troops and Baneblade thing might not be bad as a detachment, though I have my reservations (said support worker said it would be impractical).

In any case I'm glad the IG wouldn't have to be the primary detachment to use it, as that would cause some issues with Azrael/my stand-in for him.