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I have it. Are you wanting to use it in 7th?

IA 13 and Siege of Vraks would do a better job of modernizing the concepts. The points costs from that long ago would cripple the armies identity now.

I got a copy too! Pretty sweet book I gotta say.

I'm not too concerned about building a new CSM army just yet, especially not at FW prices! lol

The points you paid back then were crazy eh? I think you pay a lot for toys, 70 points for a Rhino, but the bodies seem cheap.

This may be the horde army I can actually get into. Big Muties will be a fun project.

Also.

I'm looking to maybe go backwards a bit and try out older armies and editions. Space Wolf and I still play with his 5th ed codex and aside from us skipping the magic phase there really isn't a whole lot that gets in the way. He really misses his psykers but the book can more than make up for that. I don't mind because I never really used powers anyways, even if I took a Librarian he was just there to look cool and have a force sword.

Plus, money. If it costs so much to keep up with GW, then why bother? I'll just bargain hunt and pick up the old books when I see 'em.

Speaking of Big Muties your OP suddenly burst into quite the monstrosity

The conversions alone are worth giving the LatD or the more modern FW lists a go. I haven't compared the two directly myself but I can do so for you. Pretty sure the IA13 list includes almost everything you can do with the EoT book at modern pricing.

If we can get some gaming time in we should try it out.

Hehe, yeah...

I opened the tab in my browser, scribbled down a title and a line. Figured I'd go out a have a smoke and gather my thoughts a bit.

Cats.

What can I say?

 darkcloak wrote:


I'm looking to maybe go backwards a bit and try out older armies and editions. Space Wolf and I still play with his 5th ed codex and aside from us skipping the magic phase there really isn't a whole lot that gets in the way. He really misses his psykers but the book can more than make up for that. I don't mind because I never really used powers anyways, even if I took a Librarian he was just there to look cool and have a force sword.

Plus, money. If it costs so much to keep up with GW, then why bother? I'll just bargain hunt and pick up the old books when I see 'em.

I still have all of the required books/cards/templates for 2nd and the Marines/Guard/Orks/Chaos/Chapter Approved from 3rd (I believe you have the 3rd rulebook already yeah?)

Yeah I been reading that one slowly. It's in bad shape so I have to be gentle, it actually bothers me to read it.

I would love to play some of the old stuff, and I think we will probably see a resurgence of that more now too. I don't think I'm the only new player wondering what all the hype was about. The hobby seems to have lost a bit of it's collectors appeal to me so I'd like to get that back. I think my current armies are probably 99% done so...

But why not use IA13 Renegades and Heretics? That's my only question , you can still convert everything.

Use the Aspiring Champions as squad leaders/mandatory HQ.

For the warlord you can select the big mutant leader (being a character it is perfectly eligible for this role despite not being hq)!

the_scotsman wrote:
But why not use IA13 Renegades and Heretics? That's my only question , you can still convert everything.

Because I don't own that book.

Big Mutie as a Warlord? That is a great idea because you can actually give him a flamer or a heavy stubber and have him shoot a bit.

Isn't there something about the Warlord needing the highest LD?

 darkcloak wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
But why not use IA13 Renegades and Heretics? That's my only question , you can still convert everything.

Because I don't own that book.

Big Mutie as a Warlord? That is a great idea because you can actually give him a flamer or a heavy stubber and have him shoot a bit.

Isn't there something about the Warlord needing the highest LD?

That was 6th, you can make your warlord whoever you want now as long as they're a character.

I think you'll find a decade-and-change old codex will not hold up on the tabletop at all in this edition. Unless you plan on playing in 3rd, you'd be far better off using IA13's rules instead. Even if you don't have the book, getting the rules is easy as pie. And you won't have an army that's literally half the size of what it could be in modern times.

Seriously; in Eye of Terror, your basic traitor infantryman is triple the cost in points of the equivalent unit in Renegades & Heretics. With a third of the options available. It's the same all through the codex - I'm looking at the two of them here and it's not pretty. The rules are super outdated, the points costs are hilariously high, and you get a fraction of the variety of units you would have access to.

For 7th, at least, IA13 is unequivocally superior to the rules in Eye of Terror. Though if you want to play 3rd, I think then you're all set.

 Jambles wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
But why not use IA13 Renegades and Heretics? That's my only question , you can still convert everything.

Because I don't own that book.

Big Mutie as a Warlord? That is a great idea because you can actually give him a flamer or a heavy stubber and have him shoot a bit.

Isn't there something about the Warlord needing the highest LD?

That was 6th, you can make your warlord whoever you want now as long as they're a character.

I think you'll find a decade-and-change old codex will not hold up on the tabletop at all in this edition. Unless you plan on playing in 3rd, you'd be far better off using IA13's rules instead. Even if you don't have the book, getting the rules is easy as pie. And you won't have an army that's literally half the size of what it could be in modern times.

Seriously; in Eye of Terror, your basic traitor infantryman is triple the cost in points of the equivalent unit in Renegades & Heretics. With a third of the options available. It's the same all through the codex - I'm looking at the two of them here and it's not pretty. The rules are super outdated, the points costs are hilariously high, and you get a fraction of the variety of units you would have access to.

For 7th, at least, IA13 is unequivocally superior to the rules in Eye of Terror. Though if you want to play 3rd, I think then you're all set.

It sounds like they're going to use 3rd Ed army books with 7th Ed main rules? At least that's the impression I got. That could work. It would fix the points cost imbalance, cause everyone would pay more.

 fallinq wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
But why not use IA13 Renegades and Heretics? That's my only question , you can still convert everything.

Because I don't own that book.

Big Mutie as a Warlord? That is a great idea because you can actually give him a flamer or a heavy stubber and have him shoot a bit.

Isn't there something about the Warlord needing the highest LD?

That was 6th, you can make your warlord whoever you want now as long as they're a character.

I think you'll find a decade-and-change old codex will not hold up on the tabletop at all in this edition. Unless you plan on playing in 3rd, you'd be far better off using IA13's rules instead. Even if you don't have the book, getting the rules is easy as pie. And you won't have an army that's literally half the size of what it could be in modern times.

Seriously; in Eye of Terror, your basic traitor infantryman is triple the cost in points of the equivalent unit in Renegades & Heretics. With a third of the options available. It's the same all through the codex - I'm looking at the two of them here and it's not pretty. The rules are super outdated, the points costs are hilariously high, and you get a fraction of the variety of units you would have access to.

For 7th, at least, IA13 is unequivocally superior to the rules in Eye of Terror. Though if you want to play 3rd, I think then you're all set.

It sounds like they're going to use 3rd Ed army books with 7th Ed main rules? At least that's the impression I got. That could work. It would fix the points cost imbalance, cause everyone would pay more.

Yeah, I accounted for that in my post - if they're playing with rules from 3rd or whatever then, of course, they'll do just fine. Just mixing editions gets a bit sticky in some cases like this one, especially when the rules are already updated.

Andy Chambers, Pete Haines, Andy Hoare

Dunno you guys, but i miss those dudes...

Specially Andy Chambers, he always had great ideas for fun stuff( even if half the time the implementation was not good)...

 darkcloak wrote:
I got a copy too! Pretty sweet book I gotta say.

I'm not too concerned about building a new CSM army just yet, especially not at FW prices! lol

The points you paid back then were crazy eh? I think you pay a lot for toys, 70 points for a Rhino, but the bodies seem cheap.

This may be the horde army I can actually get into. Big Muties will be a fun project.

Also.

I'm looking to maybe go backwards a bit and try out older armies and editions. Space Wolf and I still play with his 5th ed codex and aside from us skipping the magic phase there really isn't a whole lot that gets in the way. He really misses his psykers but the book can more than make up for that. I don't mind because I never really used powers anyways, even if I took a Librarian he was just there to look cool and have a force sword.

Plus, money. If it costs so much to keep up with GW, then why bother? I'll just bargain hunt and pick up the old books when I see 'em.

I'm gonna give my new LatD (from IA 13) a whirl on Monday, but I'd suggest looking at Mad Robot Minis for some alternative, cheaper minis for LatD. I just got a 37-man lasgun Traitor Guard squad off eBay for 31£, and they're a mix of Catachans, IG, and Chaos Marauders from Fantasy, with the odd bit thrown in. If you keep an eye out, there's generally a few deals.

The IA 13 list isn't the most competitive, but it has some fun options and playstyles! I'm gonna play it with the Helcult formation to add even more fodder. Not a single unit goes above 200 points <3

Nice write-up btw!