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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/18/charleston-church-shooting-nine-dead-after-hate-attack

Terrible. The shooter is still at large. Nine people dead so far.

Oh, brilliant, another hate-filled sociopath killing people. I wonder if the representative was the target, or if it was a random coincidence?

Oh hey, a white guy shooting up an African church in the South. I'm putting money on him being some flavor of white supremacist.

Great, a church of all things...

Scumbag of the lowest order.

Terrible. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims.

This is why owning firearms should be illegal

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

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SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

The perpetrator is also not allowed to murder people - that is illegal. Concealed carry in a church in SC is illegal (unless special permission is give in which case identifying the perpetrator should be much easier).

Firearms have many legitimate uses. To try and use the deaths of the church goers to push your agenda is extremely crass.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

It's a cultural thing. Why not try to accept it, instead of attack it.

Firearms did not make this man murder anyone. He was the perpetrator.

The ownership of firearms or not, while probably an inevitable end point of this thread, can at least wait for a page or two while we find out what happened in the incident and why and see if the bloke gets caught at least? Up until that point, I'd almost be considering it off topic. Just leave that storm of gak for a wee while at least so we can learn about what happened without having to wade through all that. Sound good?

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

People died here. Have you no decency sir?

 motyak wrote:
The ownership of firearms or not, while probably an inevitable end point of this thread, can at least wait for a page or two while we find out what happened in the incident and why and see if the bloke gets caught at least? Up until that point, I'd almost be considering it off topic. Just leave that storm of gak for a wee while at least so we can learn about what happened without having to wade through all that. Sound good?

Sounds good in theory, but it seems there's always anti-gun idiots waiting in the wings to take advantage of tragedies to push their bullgak agenda.

My thoughts and prayers to those affected. Truley heartbreaking event.

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

Perfectly legal in UK, just need good reason and be of good character, pass the checks and security laws for storage. Police senior officer signs it off and your free to purchase a shotgun or rifle.

 jhe90 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

Perfectly legal in UK, just need good reason and be of good character, pass the checks and security laws for storage. Police senior officer signs it off and your free to purchase a shotgun or rifle.

I own shot guns, rifles and carbines and I don't even hunt. I enjoy owning a replica I carried in OIF/OEF. I am a bad person to own so many weapons

Edit

Besides I need protection form the two escape killers on the East Coast. You never know if they make it to Washington state.

You need protection? I live in mid-state NY, I'm the one who needs protection here!

 jhe90 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

Perfectly legal in UK, just need good reason and be of good character, pass the checks and security laws for storage. Police senior officer signs it off and your free to purchase a shotgun or rifle.

Indeed. Hopefully laws aren't tightened even further by the "I don't understand something so it should be illegal" crowd. That mindset is present in the US to a lesser degree but thankfully it faces strong opposition from those who support our Constitution.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
You need protection? I live in mid-state NY, I'm the one who needs protection here!

Aye Brother I know and I hoped to Gawd they're either caught or terminated soon before anyone gets hurt/killed by them. They planned this for a long damn time so I bet good money they're making for the Mexican border. Canada to damn obvious.

Edit

A freaking Church during a prayer service. What a damn work of art. The pic it looks like a punk and I hoped to Gawd its not a retaliation hit for LEO's predicament

NPR is reporting shooter was in the church for an hour before shooting started.

Wife works for a church. This is a personal nightmare for me. Blessing to the families.

That seems to be the scum bag in question.

Hopefully the catch him quickly and without other innocents getting capped.

feth, heard about this on the radio this morning. Tragic loss of life, I hope they catch him before anyone else gets hurt.

Any word on the motives yet, or is it too soon for that?

 -Shrike- wrote:
feth, heard about this on the radio this morning. Tragic loss of life, I hope they catch him before anyone else gets hurt.

Any word on the motives yet, or is it too soon for that?

I haven't heard anything yet, probably gonna have to catch him first and/or trawl his residence.

Likely the latter, as these fething nutjobs tend to not make it through confrontations.

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

Dear lord. Not sure if serious or trying to hijack a thread. If the former...shame on you. If the latter...shame on you.

Terrible tragedy that will further fuel the hatred of the blacks against whites and vice versa.

 Sigvatr wrote:


Terrible tragedy that will further fuel the hatred of the blacks against whites and vice versa.

I would honestly hope not.

I very seriously doubt there will be much sympathy for the gak bag murderer among the white community.

Unless the victims and black leaders decide to use this to further a racial agenda (and I pray they do not) I don't see it fueling race hate at all.

If we find out for sure racial hatred was a motivating factor for the donkey-cave perp, I would hope the actions serve as an example for how stupid and non=productive and outright destructive hatred can be.

Sigvatr wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

Dear lord. Not sure if serious or trying to hijack a thread. If the former...shame on you. If the latter...shame on you.

Yes, how does one dare to have a different opinion than almighty Sigvatr? Shame on him!

CptJake wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


Terrible tragedy that will further fuel the hatred of the blacks against whites and vice versa.

I would honestly hope not.

I very seriously doubt there will be much sympathy for the gak bag murderer among the white community.

Unless the victims and black leaders decide to use this to further a racial agenda (and I pray they do not) I don't see it fueling race hate at all.

If we find out for sure racial hatred was a motivating factor for the donkey-cave perp, I would hope the actions serve as an example for how stupid and non=productive and outright destructive hatred can be.

I am afraid it is not going that way, people are not reasonable. Many black people will just see this as yet another episode in a very long list of black people being killed in the US for their skin colour. It will increase their feelings of unsafeness and 'all white people secretly hate us'.
Even if this shooting has no immediate effects, it is yet another drop in the bucket.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

CptJake wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


Terrible tragedy that will further fuel the hatred of the blacks against whites and vice versa.

I would honestly hope not.

I very seriously doubt there will be much sympathy for the gak bag murderer among the white community.

Unless the victims and black leaders decide to use this to further a racial agenda (and I pray they do not) I don't see it fueling race hate at all.

If we find out for sure racial hatred was a motivating factor for the donkey-cave perp, I would hope the actions serve as an example for how stupid and non=productive and outright destructive hatred can be.

I am afraid it is not going that way, people are not reasonable. Many black people will just see this as yet another episode in a very long list of black people being killed in the US for their skin colour. It will increase their feelings of unsafeness and 'all white people secretly hate us'.
Even if this shooting has no immediate effects, it is yet another drop in the bucket.

Because racially motivated killings are totally not really a thing, and it's totally not making a very reasonable conclusion that this individual's target(a church with a historically black congregation) is racially motivated.

Not like there's still racism here in the southern US. Nope! Racism's over guys!

 Laughing Man wrote:
Oh hey, a white guy shooting up an African church in the South. I'm putting money on him being some flavor of white supremacist.

People "2nd amendment" each other here all the time...

It's a fact of life in the states at this point: 'Merica

This is why owning firearms should be illegal

Criminals anyway usually use illegal weapons for conspiracy, even if owning firearms is allowed.

 CptJake wrote:


Unless the victims and black leaders decide to use this to further a racial agenda (and I pray they do not) I don't see it fueling race hate at all.

If we find out for sure racial hatred was a motivating factor for the donkey-cave perp, I would hope the actions serve as an example for how stupid and non=productive and outright destructive hatred can be.

The entire Ferguson and similar police incidents in recent past have, sadly, shown that there's nothing rational about people's reactions. It's as irrational as it can be and a lot of people will gladly use the incident to further blame the police despite them not having anything to do with it.