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1-- So in the build your own chapter section How you you run a DeathWatch army would you need to draw all the rules and only use models from the Space Marines Codex?
Could you run each of the models from any codex example Sanguinary Guard From the Blood angels codex or Deathwing terms from the Dark Angels as well?

2-- Would the Army need to be an inquisitor as Hq ? ( or just a Hq from Codex space Marines)
Reason I'm wondering is for rules and Fluff reasons.
I would have no issue running just models using the space marine codex and mix and match some of my other chapters painted models into the squads to look like it would for Death Watch.

3--- Other question would be chapter tactics could I still pick what tactics they are running ?

4--I understand if I pick special characters from other chapters I would get no chapter tactic benefits?
Or would I be able to ?

5--Long as I took only ultra marine special characters then i would only be able to use codex ultra marines not any other chapter tactics?

6--Examples My tactical/Devastator/ Assault squads having a sprinkle of space wolf, Blood Angel, Dark angel, and Ultra Marines but only using the codex space marine units data not all the stuff from each codex ?


I'm just wondering how others would feel about this,

Would you play against a death watch army with mixed and matched models from various chapters long as I just used 1 codex ?
Or would i need to bring them all and use the special fluff from each model ?

I would totally play against a deathwatch army. If you tell me in advance i wouldnt even care if you make the army unbound and pull from every codex you like. Why would i have an issue if you pulled from a single codex?

Deathwatch armies can be very cool if you have different chapters models but same basing for example. Rule of cool justifies anything anyway.

Fireraven wrote:

1-- So in the build your own chapter section How you you run a DeathWatch army would you need to draw all the rules and only use models from the Space Marines Codex?
Could you run each of the models from any codex example Sanguinary Guard From the Blood angels codex or Deathwing terms from the Dark Angels as well?

In general, you'll want to use just the one codex, it helps keep things neat and with the way the Deathwatch operate, even if you are in a certain role/rank in your original Chapter, you will still be expected to take whatever role the mission requires. It didn't matter if you were once in the Sanguinary Guard or a Tyrannic War Veteran before joining the Deathwatch, you will just be given the tools required.

Which isn't to say that they won't play to a Chapter's strengths, but their role will not be unique. In game terms a your 'Vanguard Veteran' squad could include Marines from the more aggressive Chapters (say, a Blood Angel, Space Wolf, Carchadon, White Scar, Lamenters) while your 'Devastator' unit might include an Imperial Fist, Iron Hand, Crimson Fist, Salamander and Ultramarine. Your Terminators might include a Wolf Guard or Deathwing model, but in practice it's still going to act like a normal Terminator.

2-- Would the Army need to be an inquisitor as Hq ? ( or just a Hq from Codex space Marines)
Reason I'm wondering is for rules and Fluff reasons.
I would have no issue running just models using the space marine codex and mix and match some of my other chapters painted models into the squads to look like it would for Death Watch.

If they are deploying in force, a Watch Captain will usually be selected, and the Deathwatch do recruit Librarians and Chaplains as well, so you could just stick to C:SM. However, adding an Inquisitor and his retinue to the force can really add some flavour. On the painting note, Deathwatch all wear black armour with a single shoulder pad (the right) in their original Chapter colours. If you want to use your existing non-Deathwatch Marines, it would make more sense fluff wise to just say they are assiting the Deathwatch, rather than actually members.

3--- Other question would be chapter tactics could I still pick what tactics they are running ?

In general, the best thing when running a multi-Chapter force (like Deathwatch or a Crusade Force) is to use the CT of your force's leader. So if your Watch Captain is an Ultramarine, use their CT. Keeps things simple and fluffy.

4--I understand if I pick special characters from other chapters I would get no chapter tactic benefits?
Or would I be able to ?

You can only take models with 1 CT per Detachment, so if you're running a basic CAD, you could only pick characters with the CT you've chosen for that Detachment. Technically you could then take an another Detachment with a different CT and take a character from that, but when your whole army shares a colour scheme but has different CTs then that's going to get messy fast.

If your do have a unit containing models with two different CTs, neither effects that unit.

5--Long as I took only ultra marine special characters then i would only be able to use codex ultra marines not any other chapter tactics?

If you you Ultra CTs, you get the Ultra characters and vice versa.

6--Examples My tactical/Devastator/ Assault squads having a sprinkle of space wolf, Blood Angel, Dark angel, and Ultra Marines but only using the codex space marine units data not all the stuff from each codex ?

Yep, this is the best way of doing it. Just use one Codex for everything, and just put certain models in certain suitable roles as above.

Hope that helps, DW armies are awesome!

Thank You for your responses, So far i been thinking of doing it and it seems more stream line just to run Codex: Basic SM. I have a squad of centurions painted BA red and a storm Talon also as well as one for Space wolves lol. Then if it is allowed extra sources do an ally of the Fluffy units as well ( inquisitor, Sisters and Assasins.)

Wow. Awesome collection!

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 evildrcheese wrote:
Wow. Awesome collection!

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Thank You. My points are off on my bio I think i have way more. It took almost 2 hours to set all them out.

Total Model Count- 657
BA-183
DA-149 ( 2 attack bikes , 18 bikes , 51 Terminators :0)
GK-1
Codex Marines mainly Basic troops and hq's for ultra marines- 114
With 21- Vehicles
Sisters- 92
Space wolves- 92
Assassins- 4
Inquisitors-3


Chaos Marines- 47
Nids- 13

Fortifications-
Defense line- 4
Fortress of redemption- 2
Bastion
landing pad
Honored imperium
4 gw buildings at the shop that everyone can used.


IOM models
Jump troops- 106
Terms-72
Troops-357
Vehicles-40

Run an Unbound list with Pedro Kantor as your Warlord and take a buttload of Sternguard (Kantor gives them Objective Secured)in Razorbacks with maybe a flyer or two.

You should have a look at the Deathwatch Formation in the Warzone Damnos Book. It is made of a Captain with 2+ Sternguard/Vanguard squads in any combination.
They gain Preferred Enemy (Xenos) and other rules I don't remember + special ammo (there's an anti-necron one which can make the RP rerolled)

Given the nature of the Deathwatch, an Inquisitorial Detachment with an Ordo Xenos inquisitor can still be fluffy and add good abilities to your army. OX has the most exotic wargear and some interesting weapons like the Conversion Beamer.

Regarding heavy stuff like Terminator, Dreads, Centurions and vehicules, you should bear in mind that Deathwatch is a SpecOp/highly specialized tool sent to purge growing alien infestations or to investigate xenos presence.

They rarely use Termies because most of their Vets do not stay long enough in the DW to earn the right to fight in TDA + TDA supplies are mostly directed to SM Chapters. You can easily overcome this by giving some fluffy explanation but just know that Terminators are very rare. I personally have 1DW Terminator Squad because it's awesome =)

Regarding Dreads, that quite the same. A very few Marines are sufficiently respected among the DW to be interned in DW Dreads, which are also rare. Heavy gear like this is not really fitting the combat style of the DW since they are suppose to operate in hard-hitting small elite teams. DW Dreads do exist but should be used with 0-1 limitation or stuff.

If you want to stay fluffy you can forget Predators, Whirlwinds and other heavy ordnance. Maybe a LR can be justified, also a Stormraven but only when the DW need to be transported in the most dangerous areas.

I agree, was actually not planning to use any vehicles other then rhino's, drop pods, maybe a Lr or a Storm raven filled ( but with the power of the inquisition nothing would be out of the scope of equipment) as they could request anything and get it. . I love the idea of being made almost entirely of vets as the main force. That is the fluff but they are vets from different chapters in 1 squad 'which to me would be cool for model's but rules would be a total mess.
So that's why I was thinking a build your own chapter section in C:SM to stream line the rules part and give it basis for points based on the rules used.
Ofc any ally could be used.

Was looking at the main ally being Sisters again fluffy. ( source of the report of xeno's presence death watch comes to clear threat and leave.)

Examples being always using the 1st company task force from the Sm Codex. As that is the veteran heavy formation.

Damnos is an apoc only thing.

I guess my question got lost would it be ok by any standard to run a mixed paint modeled unit and still be the same unit, as well as just using the build your own chapter clause int he sm codex and name it death watch. That way my forge the narrative would be easily explained and since they are just using the codex space marine rules they would be streamlined and have all the approved Cad's formations to build the army around?

I think a TFC could be fluffy. Deathwatch Techmarine with an artillery fetish. Could get creative with the model!

Fireraven wrote:


I guess my question got lost would it be ok by any standard to run a mixed paint modeled unit and still be the same unit, as well as just using the build your own chapter clause int he sm codex and name it death watch. That way my forge the narrative would be easily explained and since they are just using the codex space marine rules they would be streamlined and have all the approved Cad's formations to build the army around?

Absolutely. Use a CAD, the First Company formation, even Unbound; lists like this are what the latter two are made for, and no one reasonable is going to take issue with your minis being painted as Deathwatch and using the CT of choice, so long as it's clear what's what.

With my DW force, I'm using a list built from the regular SM codex. This means that I can't use Sanguinary Guard or Deathwing Terminators, but you could run unbound to do this. Remember, the Deathwatch don't tend to use full squads from Chapters. Instead, they mix Marines from different Chapters into squads. However, the Sanguinary Guard or Deathwing models could be used to represent a BA with a jump pack or DA in Terminator armour.

An Ordo Xenos Inquisitor is a good choice, and can still be used even if you're Battleforged! Captains, Librarians, Techmarines and Chaplains are all valid as well, but I'd only go for one of them at a time.

For me, the force follows the Chapter Tactic of the highest ranking model in the army, so a Black Templar Chaplain would mean that the DW use BT tactics, whereas a UM Captain would mean the DW use UM tactics. For maximum table effectiveness, use IF tactics if you plan to run lots of Sternguard.
This would apply to Special Characters too, but if I used Special Characters, I would try and use them as Count As, ie. my Captain with storm bolter and power fist counts as Pedro Kantor. No mixing of SC from different chapters unless you run unbound or multiple detachments.

You could have loads of different chapters represented in your squads (my DW squad has UM, IF, BA, SW, RG, CF, Raptors... in it) but they use the SM codex regardless.

Remember, DW are a special ops force and rarely deploy alone in a full battle. They would have a small, elite force, so 1st Company formation is a good idea. Also, veer away from massed tanks!
I use my Deathwatch as an Allied Detachment, supporting a Primary Detachment to represent their supplementary nature and that they aren't usually a primary force. For you, you could use the Sisters as the main force, and the DW support them with multiple devastating simultaneous deep strikes from Drop Pods against key targets.

Thank you guys for the input it sounds like as long as i Use a cad of just the Codex Sm formations model's paint style could be ignored long as all weapons are as modeled. Wonder if this would still be OK for an official tourney.

Paint style isn't really too much of an issue, but if you want to definitely show off the Deathwatch, perhaps use this colour scheme?

All black, with silver highlight and right shoulder pad, and use the Chapter shoulder pad on the left, as well as unique chapter trappings.