Who's the most powerful non daemon or no primarch pysker in 40k? In the fluff not the tabletop

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**Gravewalker**

As the question begs. Who's the most killy pysker in the 40k universe? I know Ahirman is a beast with his crazy Tzeentch powers and Eldrad is powerful as well. But who is the best I wonder.

**clamclaw**

In fluff I would beleive Eldrad to be the most powerful psyker. However, a lot of his power levels might come from his own claims and Eldar are known to think themselves better than other races in general.

Including 30K Malcador the Siggilite would have been the most powerful hands down. He was the only being capable of rivaling the Emperors power.

**TheCustomLime**

The God Emperor of Mankind.

**Desubot**

TheCustomLime wrote:
The God Emperor of Mankind.

Man kinda killing the thread eh?

**TheCustomLime**

Desubot wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
The God Emperor of Mankind.

Man kinda killing the thread eh?

To be fair, he specified "No Primarchs and non-daemon". The Emperor is neither of those things. But I suppose I am being a smart ass right now so...

I've heard that Alpha+ level Psykers are really powerful. As in cutting a starship in half with their sword powerful. So I'd go with them.

**Lance845**

According to the Fluff I believe that would be the Hive Mind. I don't know of any other psyker powerful enough to assume control over an entire pan galactic species.

**Psienesis**

Gravewalker wrote:
As the question begs. Who's the most killy pysker in the 40k universe? I know Ahirman is a beast with his crazy Tzeentch powers and Eldrad is powerful as well. But who is the best I wonder.

The Emperor.

**Khonsu**

Isn't that Eldrad kiddo dead?
Ahriman, Our lord and master.

**ProwlerPC**

Both Ahriman and that Ultramarine Librarian comes to mind.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Emps. Hands down.

**clamclaw**

The Emperor is more of a psychic beacon-potato at this point.

**ProwlerPC**

I theorize that the only reason he is still alive is because the Orks believe he's still alive. A racial memory from the days of The Beast and they want to 'av 'anudder go!

**agdog91**

John Gramaticus

**Furyou Miko**

This guy with a Gloom Prism. Nobody else can psychic him, he's immune, and he's several tons of giant death earwig that walks through walls.

**Orblivion**

Ahriman, Eldrad, and Tigurius. I'm tempted to throw Mephiston in there too but I think in terms of pure psychic power the other three probably beat him.

**Dalymiddleboro**

Primaris Psyker, lvl 2!!

**fallinq**

If we're going anywhere in the timeline, I would say whatever unknown Eldar first started building the Webway. That's one over on the EMPEROR!

In the present day, Eldrad, followed closely by Ahriman.

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Oh, maybe the Apex twins are in the running, if you're not worried about actually being in control.

**ALEXisAWESOME**

The Apex Twins have Ahriman beat in pure power, as the Apex Twins were so powerful they overwhelmed the anti-psykic defenses of a Black Ship full of blanks while during the burning of Prospero Ahriman had to physically kill the Sisters of Silence before he could use his powers.

Does anyone know were to find the exact fluff on the Apex Twins, i know there lore and story but i have only ever found the actual fluff once, then i lost it. Anyone know were to find it?

**Orblivion**

fallinq wrote:
If we're going anywhere in the timeline, I would say whatever unknown Eldar first started building the Webway. That's one over on the EMPEROR!

In the present day, Eldrad, followed closely by Ahriman.

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Oh, maybe the Apex twins are in the running, if you're not worried about actually being in control.

The webway was made by the Old Ones, and they passed that knowledge on to the Eldar.

**fallinq**

Well the Old Ones then.

**Psienesis**

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
The Apex Twins have Ahriman beat in pure power, as the Apex Twins were so powerful they overwhelmed the anti-psykic defenses of a Black Ship full of blanks while during the burning of Prospero Ahriman had to physically kill the Sisters of Silence before he could use his powers.

Does anyone know were to find the exact fluff on the Apex Twins, i know there lore and story but i have only ever found the actual fluff once, then i lost it. Anyone know were to find it?

????

Well the Old Ones then

If it took more than one of them, then it's not much of an example of individual power.

**Asherian Command**

I believe the most powerful being in 40k was the apex twins.

The Apex Twins

Human females. Exceptionally damgerous alpha plus level rogue psykers, given the Inquisitorial designation the Apex Twins on account of their uncharted abilities and lack of information regarding their true names. Born as twins, they appeared as innocent young girls, around six or seven standard years of age, who possessed the ability to inspire feelings of love and protectiveness in all those around them.

When first discovered in 845.M36, they were taken to the Black Ships by the newly formed Ordo Hereticus. The fate of the vessel conveying the Apex Twins is not recorded, but it was discovered in the Medrenax Nebula by Inquisitor Castinus, all of its occupanys - crew and prisoners alike - slain in a gory fashion. Castinus took the twins to Nemesis Tessera for study, but they escaped, killing many inquisitors and Inquisitorial troops in the process.

Following this event, the twins were captured on the world of Respa III by Inquisitor Commodus Voke in the Helican subsector. In 338.M41, during the Holy Novena, in which a number of captured heretics were paraded on Thracian Primus, the twins escaped again. This event became known as the Thracian Atrocity, such was the loss of life and destruction wrought that day. After the carnage, the twins were not found, and it is rumoured they now roam the Agrippa sector.

The Inquisition: An Illustrated Guide To The Secretive Protectors Of The Imperium, pg.8

But from my records I also found that the other most powerful being was Cegorach. He was a literal god afterall the Laughing God after all.

Not a Demon, just a God of mischief. And the keeper of the Black Library, stealing the hearts of many and giving his own to an Inqusitior for fun.

**Silverthorne**

I don't think Eldar psykers are actually that OMGWTFBBQ powerful, they are just extremely skillful, so they can have more profound effects with less risk.

Human psykers tend to have more raw power, and also tend to get mentally prolapsed by demonic possession more often. Like 99% of the time.

So for raw power, it's probably a human. Chaos I'd say Ahriman, Loyalists I'd say Mephiston. Mostly because Tig hangs his hat on Divination, which I don't consider a very power intensive skill.

**Wyzilla**

Silverthorne wrote:
I don't think Eldar psykers are actually that OMGWTFBBQ powerful, they are just extremely skillful, so they can have more profound effects with less risk.

Human psykers tend to have more raw power, and also tend to get mentally prolapsed by demonic possession more often. Like 99% of the time.

So for raw power, it's probably a human. Chaos I'd say Ahriman, Loyalists I'd say Mephiston. Mostly because Tig hangs his hat on Divination, which I don't consider a very power intensive skill.

Eldar are more powerful, especially Farseers who can edit previous events in history to their choosing. They do have the raw power of human psykers, but they restrain themselves most of the time due to exercising such powers runs the risk of Slaanesh noticing the giant glowing bulb of psychic energy.

**Asherian Command**

Wyzilla wrote:
Silverthorne wrote:
I don't think Eldar psykers are actually that OMGWTFBBQ powerful, they are just extremely skillful, so they can have more profound effects with less risk.

Human psykers tend to have more raw power, and also tend to get mentally prolapsed by demonic possession more often. Like 99% of the time.

So for raw power, it's probably a human. Chaos I'd say Ahriman, Loyalists I'd say Mephiston. Mostly because Tig hangs his hat on Divination, which I don't consider a very power intensive skill.

Eldar are more powerful, especially Farseers who can edit previous events in history to their choosing. They do have the raw power of human psykers, but they restrain themselves most of the time due to exercising such powers runs the risk of Slaanesh noticing the giant glowing bulb of psychic energy.

This ^^^^^

I've always found the eldar to be incredibly potent in their abilities.

**Silverthorne**

Farseers cannot edit the past, only the future. If they could edit the past, well, Eldar wouldn't be as screwed as they are currently I imagine.

Eldar are the most powerful in terms of the total effects they wield as a result of their psychic power, since it is the basis of their entire civilization, but in a psychic cage match, I'm not betting on Joe Farseer vs. a Chief Librarian. A big part of this, as you mention, is that humans don't hold back. It's like a Karate expert fighting a grizzly bear.

**aronthomas17**

Vote for Ahriman

**Wyzilla**

Silverthorne wrote:
Farseers cannot edit the past, only the future. If they could edit the past, well, Eldar wouldn't be as screwed as they are currently I imagine.

Eldar are the most powerful in terms of the total effects they wield as a result of their psychic power, since it is the basis of their entire civilization, but in a psychic cage match, I'm not betting on Joe Farseer vs. a Chief Librarian. A big part of this, as you mention, is that humans don't hold back. It's like a Karate expert fighting a grizzly bear.

...Everyone edits the future. It's called existing. It's one of the greatest powers of the Farseer, a relic of the old Eldar Civilization that is almost never used due to as previously stated, lighting up the respective soul like a Christmas Tree. If you do manage to pull it off without horribly dying, your consciousness gets shot back in time into your body at the chosen point, allowing you to change decisions. Again though, it's highly risky and post M30 a very elaborate form of suicide.

**locarno24**

Agreed. The most skilled psyker is probably Eldrad. The most powerful psyker is probably Ahriman, with Tigurius and Mephiston* close behind.

The best psyker?....that's largely dependent on the task for which you're judging them.

* One of my favourite quotes is from the Blood Angels series:

"They've arrived."
"Dante's ship?"
"It's not Dante. It's Mephiston."
"How do you know?"
"I can sense him."
"....They're still in orbit!"
"Thats why I know it's Mephiston."

To be honest, part of me is voting for Ahriman largely because all the Thousand Sons characters in the Black Library books tend to be unmitigated badasses, and Ahriman was officially recognised chief badass of the lot of them.

Mhotep, Atharva, Iskandar Khayon.....all of them get moments of ridiculous awesome in their respective books.

**Furyou Miko**

You should see what he does in the Ahriman novels...