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Hi guys. I just went to a tournament the other day which had 2 rules. 1500 Points and No Allies. No allies? Ok, I run solely Space Wolves. Not a big deal. Upon giving my list, I was informed that running formations out of Champions of Fenris Supplement is considered running "Allies" and I had to run out of a single book.

If the rule was single codex only, I would completely understand. But a supplement? The rule was no Allies, not a single book. How do you run an army from a supplement and how is a book dedicated to an army that reads "May be used to supplement your existing army"

This didn't exactly change MY outcome, but there was several people that couldn't use the armies they brought because they were from Codex+Supplement.

Am I missing something here? Thanks!

A formation is a seperate detachment, I believe their "no allies" rule would actually be better phrases "One detachment per army"

Best directed at them, actually.

That being said, can Fenrisian models be taken in an Allied Detachment to a Space Wolves Warlord? Or vice versa?

That would answer that question for me.

Tournaments are free to make their own rules, no matter how far from the rulebook they happens to be.

Suppliments are the same Faction as the 'parent' codex, so it's not like you were referencing the allies matrix (which is what I would interpret as "no allies").

Charistoph wrote:
Best directed at them, actually.

That being said, can Fenrisian models be taken in an Allied Detachment to a Space Wolves Warlord? Or vice versa?

That would answer that question for me.

Not sure if this is the right answer, but the supplement doesn't contain anything but a gear list, relics, formations and the like. 0 new units/models. The only thing "Fenrisian" are the wolves which are already in the codex.

Graverobber17 wrote:
Hi guys. I just went to a tournament the other day which had 2 rules. 1500 Points and No Allies. No allies? Ok, I run solely Space Wolves. Not a big deal. Upon giving my list, I was informed that running formations out of Champions of Fenris Supplement is considered running "Allies" and I had to run out of a single book.

If the rule was single codex only, I would completely understand. But a supplement? The rule was no Allies, not a single book. How do you run an army from a supplement and how is a book dedicated to an army that reads "May be used to supplement your existing army"

This didn't exactly change MY outcome, but there was several people that couldn't use the armies they brought because they were from Codex+Supplement.

Am I missing something here? Thanks!

They needed to be more explicit about what they meant. I would have interpreted "No Allies" as being "Your entire army can only be composed of models from a single Faction". Ultimately, this is a tournament house rule. You'll have to take it up with them.

My take is that this sort of nonsense makes people NOT want to participate in the tournament in the future. The TO is probably one of a number of TOs who just simply prefers the 'good old days' of a single force org chart and is unwilling to accept that the game has changed. There are whole armies that seem intended to act as allies... Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Legion of the Damned, Dataslate: Officio Assassinorum; Codex: Imperial Knights, Codex: Militarum Tempestus, etc.

Sound like a case of poor information from the Tournament Organizer's part.

Let me just see if I understood this correctly: did you bring a single formation that happened to be from a supplement, or did you run a regular CAD with another formation from the same faction?

Graverobber17 wrote:

Charistoph wrote:
Best directed at them, actually.

That being said, can Fenrisian models be taken in an Allied Detachment to a Space Wolves Warlord? Or vice versa?

That would answer that question for me.

Not sure if this is the right answer, but the supplement doesn't contain anything but a gear list, relics, formations and the like. 0 new units/models. The only thing "Fenrisian" are the wolves which are already in the codex.

Not the right answer. I was using "Fenrisian" to describe the models taken from the Champions of Fenrisian supplement, apologies for the confusion.

The question is basically if the supplement provides permission like the Farsight Enclaves, Black Legion, or Crimson Slaughter, to be in an Allied Detachment to its parent codex.

Sentinels of Terra and Clan Raccoon do not have this permission, but have other ways around it through the Traits rules.

Charistoph wrote:
The question is basically if the supplement provides permission like the Farsight Enclaves, Black Legion, or Crimson Slaughter, to be in an Allied Detachment to its parent codex.

Actually none of those allow them to be taken in an Allied Detachment with the parent codex due to the changes in army building in 7th edition.

I wonder how this TO would have reacted if a player turned up with an army made with a couple formations in a book plus a CAD? All one faction, all one book but 3 different detachments.

No Allies is a crap description. Many of us here assumed that meant 1 faction, not 1 book.