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I don't have the new DA codex yet but am itching to try something but not sure how I would do it.

What would be the cheapest/ easiest way to feild a DA ally with a full 5 man speeder squad with a dark shroud?

The formation LandSpeeder support squadron. That's 1 unit of Speeder (minimum of 3, max of 5) and 1 darkshroud. You wouldn't need anything else since you can just ally a formation if I'm correct.

edit: it's called Ravenwing Support Squadron

 Xenomancers wrote:
I don't have the new DA codex yet but am itching to try something but not sure how I would do it.

What would be the cheapest/ easiest way to feild a DA ally with a full 5 man speeder squad with a dark shroud?

Take the Formation with 5 Landspeeders and a Darkshroud.

Awesome - I had no idea it was that easy.

Question - will they have the ravening rule - which allows for reroll jinx?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Question - will they have the ravening rule - which allows for reroll jinx?

Yep, the Speeders and the Darkshroud both have that rule by default.

CrashGordon94 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Question - will they have the ravening rule - which allows for reroll jinx?

Yep, the Speeders and the Darkshroud both have that rule by default.

Thank you - this is exciting because they are a perfect fit for my new space marine command tanks!

they will get interceptor but their defensive fire bonus and no overwatch fire bonus only works with other ravenwing units so you will be losing out on that.

 bullyboy wrote:
they will get interceptor but their defensive fire bonus and no overwatch fire bonus only works with other ravenwing units so you will be losing out on that.

Do they also come naturally with interceptor?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
they will get interceptor but their defensive fire bonus and no overwatch fire bonus only works with other ravenwing units so you will be losing out on that.

Do they also come naturally with interceptor?

the formation that has 3-5 landspeeders and a darkshroud has Interceptor and Strafing Run. But realize that they are a single unit and cannot be branched off. They also have grim resolve so can fire overwatch even though they are vehicles.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
they will get interceptor but their defensive fire bonus and no overwatch fire bonus only works with other ravenwing units so you will be losing out on that.

Do they also come naturally with interceptor?

the formation that has 3-5 landspeeders and a darkshroud has Interceptor and Strafing Run. But realize that they are a single unit and cannot be branched off. They also have grim resolve so can fire overwatch even though they are vehicles.

Holy cow - That is awesome!

The downside is that they're landspeeders, which generally fold if someone glares at them sternly.

Wow... thats fantastic.

 Psienesis wrote:
The downside is that they're landspeeders, which generally fold if someone glares at them sternly.

With a darkshroud behind ruins they have a 2+ cover save - and when jinking its 2+ reroll. pretty tough if you ask me. OFC there is ignore cover and that will obliterate the unit - but I'll probably have them invisible. So it's gonna be a unit that sticks around I think.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
they will get interceptor but their defensive fire bonus and no overwatch fire bonus only works with other ravenwing units so you will be losing out on that.

Do they also come naturally with interceptor?

the formation that has 3-5 landspeeders and a darkshroud has Interceptor and Strafing Run. But realize that they are a single unit and cannot be branched off. They also have grim resolve so can fire overwatch even though they are vehicles.

Are you referring to the overwatch they can do to help other units nearby or as a whole that they can overwatch?

Though yeah with the abilities that formation gets they are awesome. I had a game Friday and a dreadnought dropped in and got shredded by the squadrons assault cannons. makes for a nice easy first blood. I was going to build my 2nd kit into the vengeance land speeder now I just want to get 3 normal speeders and build a 2nd darkshroud to run 2 of these formations.

Don't have my book with me but I'm fairly sure the landspeeders cannot fire overwatch unless a friendly ravenwing unit gets charged. They cannot fire overwatch if they are charged themselves

 jokerkd wrote:
Don't have my book with me but I'm fairly sure the landspeeders cannot fire overwatch unless a friendly ravenwing unit gets charged. They cannot fire overwatch if they are charged themselves

Whilst that may well be the intent, they are most certainly a "friendly unit with the Ravenwing special rule" within 24" of themselves.

 Quanar wrote:

 jokerkd wrote:
Don't have my book with me but I'm fairly sure the landspeeders cannot fire overwatch unless a friendly ravenwing unit gets charged. They cannot fire overwatch if they are charged themselves

Whilst that may well be the intent, they are most certainly a "friendly unit with the Ravenwing special rule" within 24" of themselves.

Sorry man you need to re-read it. It specifically states that they can fire overwatch for that friendly unit that gets charged, not any unit that has ravenwing. They can not fire overwatch for themselves.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The downside is that they're landspeeders, which generally fold if someone glares at them sternly.

With a darkshroud behind ruins they have a 2+ cover save - and when jinking its 2+ reroll. pretty tough if you ask me. OFC there is ignore cover and that will obliterate the unit - but I'll probably have them invisible. So it's gonna be a unit that sticks around I think.

The Darkshroud gives stealth, not shrouded. It only provides shrouded for itself, meaning the land speeders would have a 3+ jink and the Darkshroud a 2+.
Not sure where everyone is getting the whole "all ravenwing by a darkshroud have 2+ jink save"

Essbe4 wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 jokerkd wrote:
Don't have my book with me but I'm fairly sure the landspeeders cannot fire overwatch unless a friendly ravenwing unit gets charged. They cannot fire overwatch if they are charged themselves

Whilst that may well be the intent, they are most certainly a "friendly unit with the Ravenwing special rule" within 24" of themselves.

Sorry man you need to re-read it. It specifically states that they can fire overwatch for that friendly unit that gets charged, not any unit that has ravenwing. They can not fire overwatch for themselves.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The downside is that they're landspeeders, which generally fold if someone glares at them sternly.

With a darkshroud behind ruins they have a 2+ cover save - and when jinking its 2+ reroll. pretty tough if you ask me. OFC there is ignore cover and that will obliterate the unit - but I'll probably have them invisible. So it's gonna be a unit that sticks around I think.

The Darkshroud gives stealth, not shrouded. It only provides shrouded for itself, meaning the land speeders would have a 3+ jink and the Darkshroud a 2+.
Not sure where everyone is getting the whole "all ravenwing by a darkshroud have 2+ jink save"

Shrouded is a rule that confers to a unit if one model has it.
Now that the shroud can ne a part of a unit, that unit gains shrouded

Not all ravenwing. Just black knights and the darkshroud + land speeders unit. Both the darkshroud and the land speeders get a 2+ because stealth and shrouded only require a single model to have the rule to affect the entire unit.