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Is anyone at all interested in what the new grey-knights codex will look like? Some things that I obviously want to see are simple.

Dreadnoughts and razors - give them the option to take psycannons.

Dreadknights +1 W

Strike Squads - give scout/infiltrate

Paladins - give eternal warrior

purifiers - give them deep strike

Brotherhood champ - let him personal teleporter so he can roll with interceptors. Also make him ML 2 and roll only on sanctic.

Interceptors - reduce price

Libby - let take psycannon

Some new relics worth taking.

I'm in the dark here... what new grey-knights codex? Didn't they already make one for 7th?

Why exactly would dread knights need another wound?

We shall see. GW is starting its Chaos/Daemon cycle at the moment, which should see a GK update at the end. So, say September or early October?

SJ

lustigjh wrote:
Why exactly would dread knights need another wound?

Because 4 wounds is not enough. 5 seems about right for a MC of it's cost.

doubtful GKs already have a 7th edition codex I'd not expect a new one for a bit. once the old 6th edition 'dexes are all updated then we might see some new 'dexes for armies like GKs etc.


that said, I doubt we'll see too many changes. most likely the changes will bring GKs inline with the new changes to Space Marines.

Dreadnoughts will gain an additional attack, and be squadronable (and likely have brotherhood of psykers replace psykic vehicle)

Zimko wrote:
I'm in the dark here... what new grey-knights codex? Didn't they already make one for 7th?

I don't think focusing on the edition of the book is important at this point. It's clear that that BA and the GK and SW are not at the level of the other SM codex. I think they will get new editions of their codex to meet the power level.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Zimko wrote:
I'm in the dark here... what new grey-knights codex? Didn't they already make one for 7th?

I don't think focusing on the edition of the book is important at this point. It's clear that that BA and the GK and SW are not at the level of the other SM codex. I think they will get new editions of their codex to meet the power level.

I think eventually they will, I just think we're gonna be waiting in line for awhile. I'd expect to see Tau, IG, and 'nids given updates first

 Xenomancers wrote:

Zimko wrote:
I'm in the dark here... what new grey-knights codex? Didn't they already make one for 7th?

I don't think focusing on the edition of the book is important at this point. It's clear that that BA and the GK and SW are not at the level of the other SM codex. I think they will get new editions of their codex to meet the power level.

I think GK players should content themselves that they at least have some toys, including the Nemesis Strike Force, while other armies are currently languishing badly with tired, old 6th edition codices and a model line that is second only to Sisters in terms of it's crapiness...

Tau are rumored for the fall, along with perhaps a campaign box for Tau vs. Ravenguard. (and perhaps a Ravenguard upgrade sprue similar to the ones for the 'Big 4'?!)
Then we still have Guard, Tyranids, Daemons and especially Chaos Marines who are in desperate need of an entire model line re-tooling. Besides, of the 7th ed books, I'd rather see Dark Eldar go first in the re-do line, as they're definitely in a far, far worse place than Grey Knights atm, being firmly relegated to acting purely as a Webway service to their snooty Craftworld kin.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Zimko wrote:
I'm in the dark here... what new grey-knights codex? Didn't they already make one for 7th?

I don't think focusing on the edition of the book is important at this point. It's clear that that BA and the GK and SW are not at the level of the other SM codex. I think they will get new editions of their codex to meet the power level.

I think eventually they will, I just think we're gonna be waiting in line for awhile. I'd expect to see Tau, IG, and 'nids given updates first

I'd expect CSM and Daemon books before GK as well.

as far as I am aware, most Monstrous creatures have 4 wounds regardless of its cost, look at the Hive Tyrant, almost 200 points and only 4 wounds and a 3+ save. Consider yourself lucky.

I don't know what the Grey Knights codex will be like but I've been seriously contemplating building a Librarian Conclave to represent a unit of Grey Knights more as they were in the earlier editions of the game.

I want a Purifier formation, and a Paladin formation.

Also, if Psycannons were 36" range, they could keep Salvo. Otherwise, Heavy 3, please.

Give us Psybolt ammunition back in the form of Force/Hammerhand giving our stormbolters, autocannons, assault cannons, flamers, heavy flamers, etc (all the things that used to be affected by psybolt/psyflame) +1S.


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 aka_mythos wrote:
I don't know what the Grey Knights codex will be like but I've been seriously contemplating building a Librarian Conclave to represent a unit of Grey Knights more as they were in the earlier editions of the game.

Considering I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever gotten to play against a Daemon/Chaos unit of any flavor so I wouldn't be missing out on the anti-Daemon stuff at all, that's such a beautiful idea.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Is anyone at all interested in what the new grey-knights codex will look like? Some things that I obviously want to see are simple.

Dreadnoughts and razors - give them the option to take psycannons.

Dreadknights +1 W

Strike Squads - give scout/infiltrate

Paladins - give eternal warrior

purifiers - give them deep strike

Brotherhood champ - let him personal teleporter so he can roll with interceptors. Also make him ML 2 and roll only on sanctic.

Interceptors - reduce price

Libby - let take psycannon

Some new relics worth taking.

When we get a new book, this is what I expect, based on the recent releases:

1. Only change to Dreadnoughts will be 4 attacks base, possibly an option to DS them (a la Strike Squads). FW owns the Psycannon arms/turrets, I doubt GW will help them sell their models.
2. DKs. I wish, but I think they'll stay the same; they're pretty balanced for what you get out of them now.
3. Possible points reduction, maybe they'll fix the Psycannon for them, but otherwise they'll likely stay unchanged as well.
4. Possibly gain DS, but likely just get cheaper access to weapons or see a points decrease on the unit.
5. He should have access to the teleporter, it makes no sense that he can't take one. I was actually surprised they didn't get that with this last codex.
6. Agreed.
7. Doubt they'll change him at all.
8. The relics aren't terrible, there's really just nothing uber-awesomesauce. The armor, spear, and book are all pretty decent.

FW owns the Psycannon arms/turrets, I doubt GW will help them sell their models.

Why would Games Workshop not want to help sell Games Workshop models?

Rihgu wrote:

FW owns the Psycannon arms/turrets, I doubt GW will help them sell their models.

Why would Games Workshop not want to help sell Games Workshop models?

Because not everyone who gets a "Forge World" item actually buys a "Forge World" item, if you catch my drift?

 Xenomancers wrote:

lustigjh wrote:
Why exactly would dread knights need another wound?

Because 4 wounds is not enough. 5 seems about right for a MC of it's cost.

Trolling at its finest.

This has got to be a whole troll thread right?

GKs are in line with the vanilla codex. Its all about allies allies allies everything in mind is designed around getting some allies and some allies and well you get the idea

Dreadnoughts and razors - give them the option to take psycannons. - This I accept because hey its grey knights its their thing

Dreadknights +1 W - Really? 5 wounds? Do you try to duel every mc in the game with your DK?

Strike Squads - give scout/infiltrate - For what they are and what they have. The price is great imo you dont need to throw ham on it

Paladins - give eternal warrior - Paladins have gone from broken to broken. Im glad they are not some GK cheese factory

purifiers - give them deep strike - Cos that sounds fair i deep strike and spam cleansing flame... oh wait you ally in some drop pods....

Brotherhood champ - let him personal teleporter so he can roll with interceptors. Also make him ML 2 and roll only on sanctic. - why just why

Interceptors - reduce price - honestly?

Libby - let take psycannon - i agree

Some new relics worth taking.

GK will never ever ever be top tier stand alone army they cannot take all comers. take your head out of the sand please and look at all the wonderful options BATTLE BROTHER allies bring to them.

centstars
drop pods
massed long long range fire
blobs of troops to wound soak

as a gk player i grumbled for around 2-3 days then i looked at what my real options were amd im amazed at some of the fun you can have with this broken allies matrix. you dont have to be WAAC about it but you can take fun stupid lists that still do ok...

GKs are in line with the vanilla codex.

GKs have 4 attack squadronable dreads?

After IG, CSM, Daemons, Tau, SoB, SW, Orks, Nids are released I'd love to see GK get rolled into one of the other Imperial books.

 XdeadpoolX wrote:
This has got to be a whole troll thread right?

GKs are in line with the vanilla codex. Its all about allies allies allies everything in mind is designed around getting some allies and some allies and well you get the idea

Dreadnoughts and razors - give them the option to take psycannons. - This I accept because hey its grey knights its their thing

Dreadknights +1 W - Really? 5 wounds? Do you try to duel every mc in the game with your DK?

Strike Squads - give scout/infiltrate - For what they are and what they have. The price is great imo you dont need to throw ham on it

Paladins - give eternal warrior - Paladins have gone from broken to broken. Im glad they are not some GK cheese factory

purifiers - give them deep strike - Cos that sounds fair i deep strike and spam cleansing flame... oh wait you ally in some drop pods....

Brotherhood champ - let him personal teleporter so he can roll with interceptors. Also make him ML 2 and roll only on sanctic. - why just why

Interceptors - reduce price - honestly?

Libby - let take psycannon - i agree

Some new relics worth taking.

GK will never ever ever be top tier stand alone army they cannot take all comers. take your head out of the sand please and look at all the wonderful options BATTLE BROTHER allies bring to them.

centstars
drop pods
massed long long range fire
blobs of troops to wound soak

as a gk player i grumbled for around 2-3 days then i looked at what my real options were amd im amazed at some of the fun you can have with this broken allies matrix. you dont have to be WAAC about it but you can take fun stupid lists that still do ok...

Well we agreed on some things the things we don't agree on...ehh...
why would GK not be a top tier army that can stand alone? I understand that is what they are now (great ally army) but it shouldn't be that way. GK typically fight alone - most of the IOM doesn't even know they exist. Why wouldn't the only power armor character we have not be able to escort interceptors? This would be akin to putting a jumppack on a captain or a chaplain...other marines can do this - why not the most elite marines able to do this? Why can't purifiers deep strike? They are in power armor just like strike squads? How are paladins broken when they aren't even as good as troop terms in toughness or firepower...ID from str8 ONLY makes this worse.

I've run all the broken combos with GK and ultra marines and such - I'm bored of it - I want to play pure GK.



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 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

lustigjh wrote:
Why exactly would dread knights need another wound?

Because 4 wounds is not enough. 5 seems about right for a MC of it's cost.

Trolling at its finest.

Can you think of a stand off unit that has +1 wound and a 5+ fnp and cost relative to the NDK? Yet it's troll to suggest similar stats for the same cost?

The NDK for what it is worth is perfect with its statline...Idk why it would even need a upgrade to stats. It can still kill most MC in 1 hit with its force weapons...most MC cant do that,

The current Grey Knight codex was released in September 2014. Are you guys seriously asking for a new codex 10 months later?

What. Is. Wrong. With. Ya'll.

(I know the GK dex is a pile of poo because they stripped all the non-GK stuff from it and nerfed halberds and didnt introduce any new units, but still)

So I'll bite:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Dreadnoughts and razors - give them the option to take psycannons.

Agreed.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Dreadknights +1 W

No. As another guy already mentioned, the Hive Tyrant also only has 4 wounds. Plus the NDK sports a 2+ armor save, can easily apply force to his melee attacks and ID enemy MCs, or boost his inv to 4++ so he's tough enough.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Strike Squads - give scout/infiltrate

No.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Paladins - give eternal warrior

HELL NO.

 Xenomancers wrote:
purifiers - give them deep strike

No again. There's a reason they dont have it. Otherwise nobody would bother taking Strike Squads.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Brotherhood champ - let him personal teleporter so he can roll with interceptors. Also make him ML 2 and roll only on sanctic.

Sounds good. Would make some competition for the Libby as default HQ.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Interceptors - reduce price

I think they're fine as is.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Libby - let take psycannon

No. No SM HQ can take ranged heavy weapons, why should a GK Libby be the glaring exception to this.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Some new relics worth taking.

Yeah, I wouldnt mind GK having access to more powerful relics.

 Sir Arun wrote:
The current Grey Knight codex was released in September 2014. Are you guys seriously asking for a new codex 10 months later?

What. Is. Wrong. With. Ya'll.

(I know the GK dex is a pile of poo because they stripped all the non-GK stuff from it and nerfed halberds and didnt introduce any new units, but still)

All codex pre necron are obsolete!

 Xenomancers wrote:
All codex pre necron are obsolete!

Just wait till GW releases the first codex in the new cycle that will be low tier. And then another one after that. That'll shatter your world view about the new cycle definitely having a higher power level.

MarsNZ wrote:
After IG, CSM, Daemons, Tau, SoB, SW, Orks, Nids are released I'd love to see GK get rolled into one of the other Imperial books.

Also, not only will it hopefully be after at least those 8 codices, they might also finish off the Daemonkin for the remaining 3 Chaos gods, and would hopefully update armies like Dark Eldar first.

IOW, save your breath, it's going to be at least two years, and you're quite well off at the moment given that you have a 7th edition codex and a very nice (and relatively new!) model line-up.

Sir Arun - no one takes strike squad marines already (cause they are bad and have no viable heavy weapon that suits their abilities) Giving them scout or infiltrate gives them a purpose. (it also matches their fluff perspective as being a forward seek and destroy unit...we also don't have scouts - so they should function as our scouts.)

Purifiers are great I'll give you that. Noticeable better than strike squads. However, ultimately useless because they can't deep strike and have 9" nova spell and are 24 point cost marines that die just as easily as 14 point marines! They have to deep strike to be viable - yet - unlike practically every unit in the GK codex it has been removed! It's insane.

How can you say interceptors are fine as is? how are they worth more than a purifier!?!? ML2, cleansing flame +1 attack cost less than a mobile strike squad marine? It doesn't make sense. The cost is too dang high.


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 -Shrike- wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
After IG, CSM, Daemons, Tau, SoB, SW, Orks, Nids are released I'd love to see GK get rolled into one of the other Imperial books.

Also, not only will it hopefully be after at least those 8 codices, they might also finish off the Daemonkin for the remaining 3 Chaos gods, and would hopefully update armies like Dark Eldar first.

IOW, save your breath, it's going to be at least two years, and you're quite well off at the moment given that you have a 7th edition codex and a very nice (and relatively new!) model line-up.

2 years by old GW standards. New GW releases a new codex every month.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sir Arun - no one takes strike squad marines already (cause they are bad and have no viable heavy weapon that suits their abilities) Giving them scout or infiltrate gives them a purpose. (it also matches their fluff perspective as being a forward seek and destroy unit...we also don't have scouts - so they should function as our scouts.)

Purifiers are great I'll give you that. Noticeable better than strike squads. However, ultimately useless because they can't deep strike and have 9" nova spell and are 24 point cost marines that die just as easily as 14 point marines! They have to deep strike to be viable - yet - unlike practically every unit in the GK codex it has been removed! It's insane.

How can you say interceptors are fine as is? how are they worth more than a purifier!?!? ML2, cleansing flame +1 attack cost less than a mobile strike squad marine? It doesn't make sense. The cost is too dang high.

Interceptors can move 30" across the board and be in your face quickly. A unit with force weapons, moves 12", can move 30" once per game and has ML1 is something of a threat. These guys can move t1 30" to get a nice assault range T2, or can use it to last min. objective steal.

Oh my my... let's just say that a lot of codex will receive an update before GK, and I'm fine with that haha.

To stay on the OP topic, I feel the change you are proposing are exagerated most of the time.

 PandaHero wrote:
Oh my my... let's just say that a lot of codex will receive an update before GK, and I'm fine with that haha.

To stay on the OP topic, I feel the change you are proposing are exagerated most of the time.

I'm sure you are correct about other codex coming first.

The only change I suggest that is somewhat of an exaggeration is EW for paladins. However, they are currently awful and making them EW still wouldn't even make them as strong as thunderwolves vs everything but STR10.