I am calling it now: Age of Sigmar is the first step to merging with 40K

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notprop wrote:
I'm not the most obsessive fluff monkey but where the heck was it ever suggested that the two games share a universe cos I can't remember anything like that in 25 years.

True they share a base system and because of that there were (many many years ago) books that had sections for each game, Siege an Realms of Chaos spring to mind but no shared fluff.

Also Fantasy predates 40k by many years, there's just no logical tie in, so from that perspective I'm gonna got right ahead and say the premise of the OP is batgak crazy.

There were pictures in the old Rogue Trader days of marines, fighting Warhammer forces that were guarding unsanctioned psykers, or purging demons and tyranids from Warhammer style worlds.
Just went back to check on the Tyranid thing and I was wrong about that, it was a BL story.

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notprop wrote:
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notprop wrote:
I'm not the most obsessive fluff monkey but where the heck was it ever suggested that the two games share a universe cos I can't remember anything like that in 25 years.

True they share a base system and because of that there were (many many years ago) books that had sections for each game, Siege an Realms of Chaos spring to mind but no shared fluff.

Also Fantasy predates 40k by many years, there's just no logical tie in, so from that perspective I'm gonna got right ahead and say the premise of the OP is batgak crazy.

There were pictures in the old Rogue Trader days of marines, fighting Warhammer forces that were guarding unsanctioned psykers, or purging demons and tyranids from Warhammer style worlds.

There was fluff/pictures for backward planets and rules for black powder, bows and the like but no connection with WHFB.

There's allot of fluff in 40k about discovering worlds that have regressed tech so that's always been a thing but no cross over at all.

That's not to say people can't, it's their game after all.

As was stated, though, there were rewards of chain swords and bolt pistols, so the idea was being courted on some level before the games grew apart.

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BeAfraid wrote:
Talys wrote:
But then what happens to the Dwarves? Do they get Squatted? Or do Squats get Dwarfed?

According to the original 40K:

WHFB took place on a world where the Eldar, Squats, Orcs, and Humans had degenerated and lost all of their technology, only retaining the occasional "Psyker" who was now called a "Sorcerer" or "Wizard," and the occasional worshipper of one of the Chaos Gods, or The Emperor as a "Priest/Cleric."

So.. the Squats got Dwarfed.

MB

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notprop wrote:
I'm not the most obsessive fluff monkey but where the heck was it ever suggested that the two games share a universe cos I can't remember anything like that in 25 years.

True they share a base system and because of that there were (many many years ago) books that had sections for each game, Siege an Realms of Chaos spring to mind but no shared fluff.

Also Fantasy predates 40k by many years, there's just no logical tie in, so from that perspective I'm gonna got right ahead and say the premise of the OP is batgak crazy.

Nope, both were released in 83/84.

I was there (I was at the GW/Citadel Booth at the Earl's Court Toy show in early 1984 for the official release of the game/miniatures).

MB

notprop is correct about 40K being released years after Warhammer , since it was actually 1987 40k came out. As per the Lexicanum:

"The first rule book for the Warhammer 40,000 game, Rogue Trader was published in 1987 and written by Rick Priestley, and was quite different to future versions of the game. Largely a cross between Role Playing Games and Table Top Battle Games, rather than an out and out Table Top Battle Game, Rogue Trader contained much more background on the wider universe, races and technology found in the Warhammer 40k universe than later editions did, and for this reason is considered a prized collectors' piece.

The book is considered much less imperio-centric than later editions, as it employed a much broader spectrum of views within the narration than was common in future versions and proactively encouraged mixed faction forces."

From 40K Wiki:

"Warhammer 40,000 is a science fantasy tabletop war game set in approximately the year 40,000 AD, created by the British hobby company Games Workshop and first published in 1987."

Warhammer itself was released in 1982.

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DalinCriid wrote:
According to the original 40K:

WHFB took place on a world where the Eldar, Squats, Orcs, and Humans had degenerated and lost all of their technology, only retaining the occasional "Psyker" who was now called a "Sorcerer" or "Wizard," and the occasional worshipper of one of the Chaos Gods, or The Emperor as a "Priest/Cleric."

So.. the Squats got Dwarfed.

This ^ ^

There is a huge possibility that the Warhammer Fantasy planet is just one of the many forgotten or hidden by the warp planets, where strange and even bizzare events occur. It could be even in a different galaxy, far, far away This is the only relation I can see and let me explain why it can't be other way around.

According to AoS lore Sigmar opens a portal to a new World to establish a new Human realm (If i am wrong I guess I will be corrected). In that case he must build the Imperium out of medieval era and this is highly unlikely to be Holy Terra, simply because when the Emperor Unify Terra - we are already in some technological progress. Also, let's never forget that in the Ursh Cronicles, that Loken Reads in the Horus Heresy, is written abut a huge war between Merica (USA for sure) and the Great Ursh (use a little bit imagination and that's Russia for you). Yes, there are warlords and wizards mentioned, but this happens in a near future, probably 8K years from now own. There is no way that Sigmar is The Emperor so there is no way to say that WH40 are merged in any possible way.

I think they played around with the idea in the early days, but never really had any official canon that stated it that I know of, and the two never really were linked outside of some rewards in the early two big chaos books, such as chainswords. There was also a picture of some marines going after a rogue psyker in a medival setting, but that's about as close as it ever got that I saw. It's entirely probable, given GW's history with fluff that they might retcon everything, though.

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destrucifier wrote:
I've always held out hope that WHFB World was some isolated planet in the 40K galaxy cut off from the Imperium by warp storms and all that. This is because I want an army of Space Skaven. Those Martian guys don't count.

Hrud? I stole an idea I saw of using Rat Ogres as Grotesques for my DE army with the fluff that a Hrud nest was raided for slaves. I saw a couple of years ago online somewhere a very nice army converted to represent Hrud.

Here is this that looks good:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/11/hrud-the-other-other-dangerous-aliens.html