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Wondering best way to kill a combat tooled inperial knight without using a lord of war or super heavy choice as marines.

My lead idea so far is a "suicide squad" of stern guards with 2 Melta guns, and 8 combi meltas drop podding in to the opposite side his shield is facing. Any other options that may be more effective? How effective is the stern gaurd option?

IIRC and assuming no special way of getting invul, 3 man assault centurion poping out a land raider should be able to remove an imperial knight. with at initiative armor bane attacks. though detonation will be fun.

Sternguard are expensive to just use as suicide squads and the shields can be used to mitigate a lot of there meltas unless you take a lot and cover two angles.

I think 3 tri las preds in tank hunter formation can work well too. but the shield issue is still there.

If you do that, make sure to combat squad your sternguard. after disembarking the drop pod they should be able to cover two sides of the knight, ensuring that at least half of your shots will be into an unshielded facing.

A slightly cheaper option is a squad of vanguard vets all with meltabombs and maybe one or two stormshields (or an attached IC with a SS/shield eternal). Might not be quite as good, but has better mobility if they survive.

Dosent he declare facing on his turn? If i then pod in on my turn to the opposite side I should able to avoid the shield right?

What if you scatter onto the side with the shield?

Plan would be to strike opposite side. Hoping odds will keep me off the shielded side. With a 6" disembark as well.....

I also have a dev squad with lazcannons. Thinking of a second dev unit. Wondering what weapons are good? The knight is allied with marines.

Shield is declared at the begining of the shooting phase, so a combat squad drop pod full of melta stern guard seems to be the "go to" bet for killing a knight, that way you got 5 in 2 facing arcs

Yea looks like he picks the facing start of my shooting phase and it lasts untill my next one. Now my other "threat" is 4 devs with lazcannons and a fortress. So 6 lazcannon shots + missiles and maybe even a second dev squad. So he's not gonna be able to cover both sides.

I suppose the question now is, should I get a second dev squad to man the fortress or take a second stern gaurd to pod in with the first to make more downfield threat?

Seems likes Knights are too points efficient. youll have to take something that comes close to their points cost like stern guard all with meltas and combi. Grav or centurions could work too, but just too expensive for a squad that will die. I would say if all you're dealing with is 1 knight, keep it tied up with throw away units like assualt marines in a pod or otherwise try the anti armor formation, though preds are pretty fragile.

Edit: A stormraven is a perfect counter to a knight especially since it can take meltas. Knights, especially Gallant and paladins are poorly equipped to deal with flyers. Take two stormtalons too and use the formation that gives you strafing run.

I was under the impression that a Grav based Skyhammer formation would kill two Knights on the turn they arrive, with a potentional third and fourth in melee.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I was under the impression that a Grav based Skyhammer formation would kill two Knights on the turn they arrive, with a potentional third and fourth in melee.

SJ

How would they possibly do that? Grav weapons dont worry Knights much. 6's to get a hull point and you cannot double up on the Immobilized. What am I missing?

The Sternguard drop will do it one turn. Tbh knights are pretty lame against marines, just mech up and encircle with melta tacticals and he'll die. Knights hate MSU shenanigans. Last time I played a knight vs space marines, my opponent had 2 Lascannon dev teams just whack on it for two turns and it died. He got one "explodes" result in there so that was lucky, but mostly he just gave it a wide berth and it killed maybe 100-150 points before it popped.


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Fragile wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I was under the impression that a Grav based Skyhammer formation would kill two Knights on the turn they arrive, with a potentional third and fourth in melee.

SJ

How would they possibly do that? Grav weapons dont worry Knights much. 6's to get a hull point and you cannot double up on the Immobilized. What am I missing?

I'd think the assault squads would smack it. He gets to kill the shlubs with his D-sword but then you get basically 3 pens average?

Weird. I've been taking two Gravs, two Multi-Meltas per 10man Dev, and Melta Bombs on the Assaults. Guess that's just me.

SJ

6's get a hull point - but with the Skyhammer they're relentless - giving full rate of fire - and the grav amp (I think) gives you rerolls against vehicles as well.

Throw in an armorium cherub to get rerolls to hit as well and you're still looking at about one-and-a-bit hull points off per grav cannon.

I'd hesitate to trust one squad to take a knight down but two should manage it easily. Combi-Gravs on the sergeants or plasma pistols/meltaguns and a follow-up charge by the assault squads could help, too.