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G'day everyone,
Like the title says I haven't played any TT game in years (more than 9)
Having a store open alot closer to home sparked my curiosity and low and behold IMPERIAL KNIGHTS!
When I was younger epic was on its last legs but always remember the titans and knights. So now they're available for 40k I'm pretty keen on fielding an army
Now I've done a bit of reading and know they are usually taken as or with allies, that's not my plan. Am I correct in saying you can field 3 gallants in a 1000point army? I know might not be the easiest to play etc but for old times sake and shitzngigs I want to do it.
Please opinions etc.
Cheers, Mikey

The popular opinion is not to field ANY Knights under 1500pts. Three at 1000 is ridiculous and not fun to play against. Even when they're Gallants, which have no guns, they are not fun to try to shoot. They are models that invalidate a lot of armies simply by existing. Nothing lower than Strength 6 can hurt them, so most of a standard army can't even damage them on the best of days. It makes the game boring.

A lot of people, myself included, can and will turn down games when that is all you have. Even though I have an Imperial Knight myself that I could bring if I felt like it.

But, there are some people who won't care. Ask around where you are trying to play to see if they'll play it or not. If they won't play against Knight Spam, you'll have to come up with something else.

Legal? Yes.

However, most players don't enjoy that game. Knights and other Super-Heavies really require your opponents to tailor their lists for it to consistently be a fun game. The odd game against such a list is fun because of its uniqueness, but if it's all the time... well you probably want to have a second army on hand just in case no one's willing to play against the Knights that day.

This is because Knights are so powerful, that you need to bring something equally powerful just to have a "fair" game. To give you an idea of how powerful they are "Pure Knights" is an army commonly seen at top-tier tournaments. They are totally beatable by other top-tier tournament lists (check the Battle Reports section and read how the 5 flyrant list demolished a Pure Knights list with Hive Fleet Pandora), but that's not the way most players will enjoy the game.

'Round our parts, it's considered common curtsey to inform an opponent how many Super-Heavies one will be bringing to a 1500pt or less game. There are lots of ways to deal with Knights, but an opponent who has no clue one is coming their way is going to be at a significant handi-cap. Same goes with most formations - they are often format-defining.

Not to say don't collect them! Knights are fantastic models! Just remember to collect them alongside another army so you have the option of bringing a not-Knight list for when you're itching for a game, but are finding it hard to find opponents.

The points made above are very real, but i am totally in the same boat as you with regards to epic 40,000 - it was what inspired me to play 40k in the first place.

So i don't think you'll be getting into many 'pick-up-games' with a knight list at that points level, but there are an increasing amount of people who own enough knights to form a household (myself included - 7 so far) and that would be one hell of a video batrep! (anyone near the five valleys with 4 knights++ get in touch!)

Maybe worth warning your mates etc that you're planning on doing a knight list to allow them to tool up accordingly. The most recent knight codex had some pretty ridiculous stuff in it so i would also encourage you to check out 'Horus Heresy book 4: conquest' as it has an imperial knight household list which i found to be both potent and fairly costed in points - no extra rules for having a formation for no points!


edit: you may find this intresting...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/644576.page

If you let me bring three wraithknights against your three imperial knights sure I'll play

Funny humans think their ugly shellback stubby walkers have a chance against the best of Eldar Titan tech.

Hehe.

No seriously, the Eldar Knights would wreck your face in bad. (Due to Wraithknights being broken and OP) higher initiative.

The Sky is Falling crowd are discomfited by the pressure Knights bring to the game, and will always advise against playing such a fun and challenging army as a household of Knights. Three Gallants at 1000pts is a challenge for many players, although the only armies that struggle are the one that already struggle at 1000pts, namely Grey Knights or any other TDA heavy army. Personally, I say go for it!

Knights are fabulous models with balanced rules and a huge footprint. It will be a challenge for you to actually win more than you draw or lose, which makes such an army awesome fun to field and play. Don't let the nay sayers sway you!

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The Sky is Falling crowd are discomfited by the pressure Knights bring to the game, and will always advise against playing such a fun and challenging army as a household of Knights. Three Gallants at 1000pts is a challenge for many players, although the only armies that struggle are the one that already struggle at 1000pts, namely Grey Knights or any other TDA heavy army. Personally, I say go for it!

Knights are fabulous models with balanced rules and a huge footprint. It will be a challenge for you to actually win more than you draw or lose, which makes such an army awesome fun to field and play. Don't let the nay sayers sway you!

SJ

And in a world where invisibile grav cents, scatter bikes, free obsec transports, wraithknights, FMC spam, and undeniable 4+ reanimation protocols are a thing, Knights attract way too much hate.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The Sky is Falling crowd are discomfited by the pressure Knights bring to the game, and will always advise against playing such a fun and challenging army as a household of Knights. Three Gallants at 1000pts is a challenge for many players, although the only armies that struggle are the one that already struggle at 1000pts, namely Grey Knights or any other TDA heavy army. Personally, I say go for it!

Knights are fabulous models with balanced rules and a huge footprint. It will be a challenge for you to actually win more than you draw or lose, which makes such an army awesome fun to field and play. Don't let the nay sayers sway you!

SJ

And in a world where invisibile grav cents, scatter bikes, free obsec transports, wraithknights, FMC spam, and undeniable 4+ reanimation protocols are a thing, Knights attract way too much hate.

What he said. Field what you want...everyone else does.

Also...my take all comers Blood Angel list has enough melta (and other anti tank answers) to compete against 3 knights, and everyone would tellyou that BA suck. Everyone needs to take their skirts off...in the grim dark future, there is only war...against knights and other big nasty super heavy things. Have an answer.

Flying in the face of my above comments, the suggestion to feel out your area is totally valid. If no one would play against your knight army, its not a great investment. Having fun WITH other players is always better than having fun DESPITE other players.

I wouldn't want to play against knights frequently because they make the scale of the game different than what most interests me. I keep thinking GW should bring back epic but with the big models somehow and you can play epic and standard 40k with the same models. I want a little trooper with a flamer to be meaningful.

But others love their knights and whatnot. That's fine. Everyone has differing tastes. I'm not even playing right now. Just collecting and wishing the game was as it was in 4th and 5th where the feel and scale of the game was what I liked.

G'day everyone,
Thanks for the feedback, it seems alot of OP angst has occurred since last playing 40k haha.
I'll head to my local gw and see what the feeling is there, thanks for the advice.
I used to play Tau and Black templars, and used to play against who ever wanted and I'll admit lost the majority of times. But I had fun. If I go ahead with this I'll make sure the shop locals know what I'm bringing and if they tool up for taking on titans well bring it haha.
As a thought I wouldn't mind fielding an army with some flyer or other walkers as allies, maybe by doing this as a 1500+ army I'd get more happy opponents?
Cheers, Mikey

In my personal experience, few decent opponents would complain about a single Knight at 1500 points.

Sorry, think I need to clarify still a Ik army (Min 3 Knights) but with some easier to kill allies...
Edit: On further looking is there any way of doing this? To have an allied detachment you need to have a hq and troops, is there an army that uses vehicles for these slots or an army with different rules?

Don't the three knights of one kind count as a detachment and have funny rules? Have a look at the new rubbish about formations - it's a case of getting free special rules for buying models. the khorne kharibdis assault claw+ khorne berzerkers formation is a case in point.

Knights are not as big a deal as some claim them to be.
the whole thing got way over inflated really fast and has become a repeated dialogue ever since.

I have had several people bring adamantine lance to my 40k 1850 events and none of them has ever plaved higher then 4th out of about 18 people each event. running with ITC event scenarios if people are curious.

knights can be delt with easily by most tourney lists. fun games IDK with people bring so it's hard to say, but Knights aren't the ever present looming evil game destroyers people seem to think they are based on my experience in my local meta.

 SirDonlad wrote:
Don't the three knights of one kind count as a detachment and have funny rules? Have a look at the new rubbish about formations - it's a case of getting free special rules for buying models. the khorne kharibdis assault claw+ khorne berzerkers formation is a case in point.

Yeah if 3 gallants they get rage, crusader and reroll charge distance.
On another new note wtf is with detachments and formations etc, it literally looks like "buy and play set models and get bonus rules"
I haven't played in too long apparently haha.
Cheers, Mikey

Everyone needs to take their skirts off

That's a bit... forward. I mean, I've heard of strip-40K, but have never actually played it, or seen it played. Whatever floats your goat, I suppose.

As far as Knights go? There's lots of counters to them for lots of armies, so they are not the end-all, be-all.

 Psienesis wrote:

Everyone needs to take their skirts off

That's a bit... forward. I mean, I've heard of strip-40K, but have never actually played it, or seen it played. Whatever floats your goat, I suppose.

I honestly have never heard of it lol, and I have never met a player I'd like to see nekid... But as you said whatever rocks your socks

IK focused lists like ad lance don't win GTs but they are scary bully lists for most mid to low tier players (myself included). You either need to be good enough not to care or tailor your list which can make for unfun games.