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Hi,

Do UM Devastators firing Frag Missile blasts benefit from Devastator Doctrine? I don't have either rulebook on me, but my instinct says no because the Doc doesn't make them Twin-Linked.

Thank you.

There is a difference between twin linked and re roll to hit. Blast markers technically don't make a roll to hit so it is essentially wasted on blasts. Otherwise I would be taking a lot of ultra marines plasma cannons in sky-hammer formations. This is unfortunate - but you are better off taking LC or GC on your ultras.

 Xenomancers wrote:
There is a difference between twin linked and re roll to hit. Blast markers technically don't make a roll to hit so it is essentially wasted on blasts. Otherwise I would be taking a lot of ultra marines plasma cannons in sky-hammer formations. This is unfortunate - but you are better off taking LC or GC on your ultras.

Universal special rules -> blasts -> Blast Weapons and Rerolls. I suggest you read it as I think you may have missed that caveat. It's pretty buried.

To the OP, yes, any re-roll would be useful for frag missiles. HOW useful... well that's up to you.

My list is:

Calgar
Honor Guard x4- Chapter Banner, Pod
5 Vanguard- Power Weapons, Jump Packs
10 Tacs- C.Melta, Melta, MM, Pod
10 Tacs- C.Melta, Melta, MM, Pod
5 Tacs- Gravcannon, Rhino
5 Tacs- Gravcannon, Rhino
10 Assault Marines- Flamer x2, Jump Packs
5 Devs- Heavy Bolters
5 Devs- Lascannons
5 Devs- Missile Launchers

This list was built based upon the exact miniatures at my disposal.

I figured if I fight against opponents where Frag is more appropriate, I might as well drop them on infantry while a Doctrine is up *if* I could benefit from re-rolling the blasts, yaknow?

I think for me, this situation is more of a "Well, re-rolling to hit with my heavy bolters and lascannons in a turn is nice, so I might as well drop a bunch of re-rolling blasts on that infantry unit while the doctrine is going"

maceria wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
There is a difference between twin linked and re roll to hit. Blast markers technically don't make a roll to hit so it is essentially wasted on blasts. Otherwise I would be taking a lot of ultra marines plasma cannons in sky-hammer formations. This is unfortunate - but you are better off taking LC or GC on your ultras.

Universal special rules -> blasts -> Blast Weapons and Rerolls. I suggest you read it as I think you may have missed that caveat. It's pretty buried.

To the OP, yes, any re-roll would be useful for frag missiles. HOW useful... well that's up to you.

How did you roll the 1 on your To Hit roll with a Blast weapon in order to get the re-roll?

I'm talking about Devastators using frags with the Dev Doctrine so it's a straight re-roll to hit, isn't it? I'm pretty sure my Devs using Frag can't re-roll anything if Tactical Doc is up.

 Ghaz wrote:

maceria wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
There is a difference between twin linked and re roll to hit. Blast markers technically don't make a roll to hit so it is essentially wasted on blasts. Otherwise I would be taking a lot of ultra marines plasma cannons in sky-hammer formations. This is unfortunate - but you are better off taking LC or GC on your ultras.

Universal special rules -> blasts -> Blast Weapons and Rerolls. I suggest you read it as I think you may have missed that caveat. It's pretty buried.

To the OP, yes, any re-roll would be useful for frag missiles. HOW useful... well that's up to you.

How did you roll the 1 on your To Hit roll with a Blast weapon in order to get the re-roll?

It doesn't say I have to do it, It says i have to have the ability to do it.

I'm just pointing out the other side of the argument that's bound to come up.

maceria wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
There is a difference between twin linked and re roll to hit. Blast markers technically don't make a roll to hit so it is essentially wasted on blasts. Otherwise I would be taking a lot of ultra marines plasma cannons in sky-hammer formations. This is unfortunate - but you are better off taking LC or GC on your ultras.

Universal special rules -> blasts -> Blast Weapons and Rerolls. I suggest you read it as I think you may have missed that caveat. It's pretty buried.

To the OP, yes, any re-roll would be useful for frag missiles. HOW useful... well that's up to you.

Thought it specified twin linked. Haven't looked at it in a LOONG time though.

I do not have my book on hand but I *think* I remember it saying something about how Blasts that re-roll To-Hit must re-roll the dice *and* the scatter die. But like I said I dont have my book so I am deferring to you fellas

Ghaz wrote:

maceria wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
There is a difference between twin linked and re roll to hit. Blast markers technically don't make a roll to hit so it is essentially wasted on blasts. Otherwise I would be taking a lot of ultra marines plasma cannons in sky-hammer formations. This is unfortunate - but you are better off taking LC or GC on your ultras.

Universal special rules -> blasts -> Blast Weapons and Rerolls. I suggest you read it as I think you may have missed that caveat. It's pretty buried.

To the OP, yes, any re-roll would be useful for frag missiles. HOW useful... well that's up to you.

How did you roll the 1 on your To Hit roll with a Blast weapon in order to get the re-roll?

Oh snap! I thought the Dev-doc was all failed, not just ones, my mistake.

Than in that case, depends on who you ask, and this thread is about to be engulfed in flames.

It's all failed for Devs only

Scratch that- It's "Re-roll to Hit" for Devs and 1's for other UM who aren't Devs. My devs are the only one with missiles

Ok, then yes, you will unarguably be able to re-roll your scatter/distance dice. Also gets hot on PC.