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So I found this delightful article after eating my dinner lol. Horror much?!! I've never done cocaine etc and I think this article really reinforces my objection to taking them. Pics spoilered due to being slightly gruesome..
Cocaine tends to be associated with Nasal Septal Perforation, which is when the bit that separates our nostrils is eroded away. But it’s not the only part of the face which can develop holes when the drug is abused.
The palate is the roof the mouth, and separates the oral cavity from the nasal cavity. But it has a fragile blood supply, and this is shut off by cocaine use.
This process is called vasoconstriction (closing off of blood vessels). When the blood vessels constrict, the blood supply is compromised, delivering less oxygen to the tissues of the palate. With low oxygen, the palate lining begins to die and shrink away leaving a perforation (or hole in the palate).
Palatal perforation due to cocaine use is a serious issue which can have a wide range of adverse effects. There are three main problems that this can cause problems with – 1. drinking, 2. eating and 3. speaking.
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The most profound and serious consequence of the palatal perforation is problems when drinking liquid. The palatal perforation (hole in the palate) means that liquid can travel through the palate and come out the nose. Whilst not generally life threatening this is embarrassing and unnatural.
The palate is used for tasting (as it contains many of the taste buds) so not having the roof of the mouth intact will affect the ability to taste food severely. Foodstuffs can also travel into the cavity which can cause risk of infection.
The palate is also used for speaking. Sounds that involve the contact of the tongue with the palate such as ‘s’, ‘t’ and ‘th’ will be affected.
(This one is particularly horrific...)
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Treatment wise, the palatal perforation (hole) will not heal itself so requires surgical intervention (closure). In the first instance the patient must stop using cocaine and any other recreational drugs.
Dentists in particular are in a special position to diagnose this condition because they are checking the health of your gums and soft tissues at every visit (as well as your teeth). Being a palatal hole it is most likely to be spotted by a dentist who can then broach the subject of recreational drug use and refer on to the appropriate surgeon (plastic, maxillofacial or ENT).
This problem is not likely to decline, as after cannabis, the next most commonly used drug in the last year by adults aged 16 to 59 was cocaine, and the level of use has increased from 2012 to 2014. Around one in ten adults have used cocaine, and 14% of 16 to 59 year olds report using cocaine more often than once a month. The UK is one of the worst countries in Europe for recreational drug abuse. Greater education earlier on as to the severe affects such as palatal perforations can be used to discourage recreational drug use later in life.
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Its not cocaine that does that, but what cocaine is cut with. You have to do a lot of snow to get like that. Cocaine is bad in large doses or too many small doses over time, but so is a lot of stuff, much of it legal. It isn't krokodil, or even meth.
You can take cocaine without it fething you up, though I cant say from personal experience.
Heroin, and the artificial chemical highs like meth are the stuff you should never touch. Though if you have an addictive personality as I do, don't touch any of them. I daren't even smoke in case I like it. If you never try them its easy not to be too curious, and piss easy never to start. I know plenty of people who partake, some do so regularly and all but one is in control of his hobby (I wont call it a habit). They stopped offering long ago, and understand my reasons. I don't judge most drugs use and think a lot of it should be legalised, but daren't touch any of it. The only narcotic I have at all is alcohol and I don't enjoy it much, so it self regulates.
My plastic crack habit, my white metal crack habit and my resin habit, those are way out of control. I even have developed a cardboard crack habit. I don't need to take to imbibe my drugs to be way fethed up already, and doubt I am the only one here in that position.
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Yeah, the thing about illegal drugs is that they're not made in labs, they're not made in factories, they're not made by professional chemists. They're made by Bob in his garage, mixing whatever stuff he could get his hands on for cheap in order to cut the drugs to increase his profits. Sure, the dealers aren't out to kill you (they want repeat business, after all), but it's not made in a controlled environment, there is no quality control testing, and there is no handy-dandy nutritional data on the back of the baggie to let you know just what you're smoking/injecting/snorting.
That synthetic marijuana that's all the rage? That is literally someone in a room, using whatever chemical they got from China that week, using a $1 spray bottle to squirt it onto a bunch of whatever plant material they got that week, and then packaging it up for sale. Nobody knows what's in it, nobody knows what the purity is, there is no quality control on any of that crap.
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'eh, the odd night out on the charlie isn't likely to do you any damage if you know where you're getting the stuff from. Certainly not something I'd recommend to do regularly, just like any other drug.
As with any sort of drug, it's more important that you know where it's coming from. Never put something in your body if you don't trust the source. Sure, it could still be bad but so could just about anything. Chicken from the shop could give you a lethal case of food poisoning.
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Sure, but only if you cooked it improperly. And even if you get food poisoning its very unlikely to be lethal. Improperly cut drugs on the other hand are very bad news. You might as well play Original Russian Roulette. And I wouldn't call any drug dealer trustworthy.
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And even if you get food poisoning its very unlikely to be lethal. Improperly cut drugs on the other hand are very bad news. You might as well play Original Russian Roulette. And I wouldn't call any drug dealer trustworthy.
I'm not gonna defend people who are legitimate scum, but I will defend people who genuinely enjoy drugs as a recreation and don't hurt other people. I've known plenty of trustworthy people who also happened to sell drugs. They don't sell crap and they don't sell to kids or anyone they think might have a problem. There are tonnes of people like that out there. I've also known legitimate scum. It's pretty easy to tell the difference in most cases. I don't see any difference between someone who sells some pot or a bit of cocaine and the guy who sells alcohol at the local store other than IRLRAW. That guy can do just as much damage by selling a kid a bottle of scotch and perhaps even more by selling alcohol to people who clearly have a problem, mostly because they're not allowed to refuse in most cases.
I'm in no way advocating that you should go out and get smashed off your face or sell 8-balls out the back of your van, but for gaks sake, let's not pretend all drugs are horrible things and every person who sells them should be ostracized from society.
Sure, but only if you cooked it improperly.
Pretty much the same deal with most drugs, to be honest.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: Yeah, the thing about illegal drugs is that they're not made in labs, they're not made in factories, they're not made by professional chemists.
The Sinaloa would disagree with you. Cocaine is made on an industrial scale, with quality control complete with trademark and manufacturers inspection stamps. It even effects manufacturers rep to sell quality product enough that quality control is taken seriously. Most of the major Mexican and Colombian cartels pride themselves on selling pure product, after all in the volumes they make it there is no need to actually dilute it. Dilution normally occurs at the second to last stage of the supply chain, just before the street dealer and is generally sold in brick form at all stages up to that point for convenience. What happens is that many end suppliers dilute their stock with God knows what in order to bulk up volume as their personal margins are rather small compared to those of importers and regional suppliers.
A key is worth about $3k in Colombia, by the time is reaches the Us border its worth $18k, this step is the major cartels profit margin and is the reason why people like Shorty Guzman and one or two others are competing with Bill Gates fior the rich list.
By the time the same key hits a Us city is is worth $40k, but that passes through several hands, some in the cartels but mostly into local franchises. While it is at its most valuable at the street dealer stage the street dealer is working on smaller margins and is normally content with only a modest income.
They're made by Bob in his garage, mixing whatever stuff he could get his hands on for cheap in order to cut the drugs to increase his profits.
For meth yeah, once you have the recipe and the equipment you manufacture locally in whatever quantities you can get away with.
Marijuana is also grown locally mostly as much to have some form of control over quality control as it is to bypass profit margins.
There is but a fraction of the money to be made than there is with opium or cocaine.
That synthetic marijuana that's all the rage? That is literally someone in a room, using whatever chemical they got from China that week, using a $1 spray bottle to squirt it onto a bunch of whatever plant material they got that week, and then packaging it up for sale. Nobody knows what's in it, nobody knows what the purity is, there is no quality control on any of that crap.
Yep, I wouldn't recommend anyone touch any of the synthecised product, its too damn random, and generally far worse than plant based narcotics. Marijuana is essentially a form of food, its the leaf of a plant. Syththecised chemical narcotics is just that, chemicals, and most of those have 'side effects' even in the best of cases.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: Yeah, the thing about illegal drugs is that they're not made in labs, they're not made in factories, they're not made by professional chemists. They're made by Bob in his garage, mixing whatever stuff he could get his hands on for cheap in order to cut the drugs to increase his profits. Sure, the dealers aren't out to kill you (they want repeat business, after all), but it's not made in a controlled environment, there is no quality control testing, and there is no handy-dandy nutritional data on the back of the baggie to let you know just what you're smoking/injecting/snorting.
That synthetic marijuana that's all the rage? That is literally someone in a room, using whatever chemical they got from China that week, using a $1 spray bottle to squirt it onto a bunch of whatever plant material they got that week, and then packaging it up for sale. Nobody knows what's in it, nobody knows what the purity is, there is no quality control on any of that crap.
Really? I thought all drugs were made by guys like this ?
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Tannhauser42 wrote: Yeah, the thing about illegal drugs is that they're not made in labs, they're not made in factories, they're not made by professional chemists.
The Sinaloa would disagree with you. Cocaine is made on an industrial scale, with quality control complete with trademark and manufacturers inspection stamps. It even effects manufacturers rep to sell quality product enough that quality control is taken seriously. Most of the major Mexican and Colombian cartels pride themselves on selling pure product, after all in the volumes they make it there is no need to actually dilute it. Dilution normally occurs at the second to last stage of the supply chain, just before the street dealer and is generally sold in brick form at all stages up to that point for convenience. What happens is that many end suppliers dilute their stock with God knows what in order to bulk up volume as their personal margins are rather small compared to those of importers and regional suppliers.
A key is worth about $3k in Colombia, by the time is reaches the Us border its worth $18k, this step is the major cartels profit margin and is the reason why people like Shorty Guzman and one or two others are competing with Bill Gates fior the rich list.
By the time the same key hits a Us city is is worth $40k, but that passes through several hands, some in the cartels but mostly into local franchises. While it is at its most valuable at the street dealer stage the street dealer is working on smaller margins and is normally content with only a modest income.
They're made by Bob in his garage, mixing whatever stuff he could get his hands on for cheap in order to cut the drugs to increase his profits.
For meth yeah, once you have the recipe and the equipment you manufacture locally in whatever quantities you can get away with.
Marijuana is also grown locally mostly as much to have some form of control over quality control as it is to bypass profit margins.
There is but a fraction of the money to be made than there is with opium or cocaine.
That synthetic marijuana that's all the rage? That is literally someone in a room, using whatever chemical they got from China that week, using a $1 spray bottle to squirt it onto a bunch of whatever plant material they got that week, and then packaging it up for sale. Nobody knows what's in it, nobody knows what the purity is, there is no quality control on any of that crap.
Yep, I wouldn't recommend anyone touch any of the synthecised product, its too damn random, and generally far worse than plant based narcotics. Marijuana is essentially a form of food, its the leaf of a plant. Syththecised chemical narcotics is just that, chemicals, and most of those have 'side effects' even in the best of cases.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong on a few counts of how the cartels do their thing, and it's not the squeaky clean operation you make it sound like. I'll not say anymore on the subject, though, unless you want to go to PMs, as I probably should not have said anything in the first place.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Tannhauser42 wrote: Yeah, the thing about illegal drugs is that they're not made in labs, they're not made in factories, they're not made by professional chemists. They're made by Bob in his garage, mixing whatever stuff he could get his hands on for cheap in order to cut the drugs to increase his profits. Sure, the dealers aren't out to kill you (they want repeat business, after all), but it's not made in a controlled environment, there is no quality control testing, and there is no handy-dandy nutritional data on the back of the baggie to let you know just what you're smoking/injecting/snorting.
That synthetic marijuana that's all the rage? That is literally someone in a room, using whatever chemical they got from China that week, using a $1 spray bottle to squirt it onto a bunch of whatever plant material they got that week, and then packaging it up for sale. Nobody knows what's in it, nobody knows what the purity is, there is no quality control on any of that crap.
Really? I thought all drugs were made by guys like this ?
Well you joke but real life just isn't like that. A lot of meth is made by people who don't respect good laboratory practice or have much grasp of chemistry, exactly who shouldn't be trusted to supply others. That's why their production is toxic and dangerous, they cause fires and poison themselves, and the end product isn't very safe. Other drugs are cut with anything that's a white powder, from sherbert to weed killer that I've known in places I've lived. Worse for you than the drugs.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong on a few counts of how the cartels do their thing, and it's not the squeaky clean operation you make it sound like. I'll not say anymore on the subject, though, unless you want to go to PMs, as I probably should not have said anything in the first place.
As the narcotics industry is vast I am sure there is room for all kinds of practices.
I speak only for the quality control intent, from the point of view of one or two major cartels not for every processor on every occasion.
The narcotics industry is of course unregulated, except by cartel policy, and you can be sure customer service is not an issue allowing for who we are dealing with though.
Product purity is not a concern past a certain point in the trafficking chain, and only with regards as to how much end sale can be made from the volume.
Also this doesn't apply to some products at all. The Sinaloa and Zetas are big into meth cooking, yet from what I have heard the Mexican authorities had managed to put a squeeze on supply of some of the chemicals involved, which could not be sourced locally so the cartels switched to alternate chemical ingedients which directly affected 'quality'. Hence 'quality control' is only an issue if it suits them, and I am not painting a picture of these scum as having any form of code of honour..
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Yeah, the thing about illegal drugs is that they're not made in labs, they're not made in factories, they're not made by professional chemists. They're made by Bob in his garage, mixing whatever stuff he could get his hands on for cheap in order to cut the drugs to increase his profits. Sure, the dealers aren't out to kill you (they want repeat business, after all), but it's not made in a controlled environment, there is no quality control testing, and there is no handy-dandy nutritional data on the back of the baggie to let you know just what you're smoking/injecting/snorting.
That synthetic marijuana that's all the rage? That is literally someone in a room, using whatever chemical they got from China that week, using a $1 spray bottle to squirt it onto a bunch of whatever plant material they got that week, and then packaging it up for sale. Nobody knows what's in it, nobody knows what the purity is, there is no quality control on any of that crap.
And this is why pretty much of all them should be legal.
Then you will have chemists producing it in controlled environments and will have a 'safer' product
This happening in parts of South America. I believe it was Uruguay that legalised and part nationalised the marijuana industry.
I wonder how that is going, no news usually means good news.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Loans to family andf friends are fine. They might need the money. So long as you understand loan is a euthemism for 'returnable gift', and accept it as such.
Circumstances are key.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
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