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Having a glass cannon or an 300pt FMC that can't charge doesn't really help with the threat saturation and durability of the list. Maybe go in a different direction, stay with the Sorc but run the 18" Nova ML4 relic. A Termie Sorc can throw Novas at chaff to free up Meganobz and Mutilators locked in combat, both those hit a lot harder than an upgraded Sorc probably will.

Still no takers on Mutant Division versus Centstar?

Did Jancoran ever post his game against eldar?

Don't change the subject

First Centstar, then Scatterbikes + WKs!!

Judging by the battle reports thus far and how they've died down, I doubt the centstar will be reported.

I'm guessing the eldar report was also never done either.

Nah. They'll be back.

Where you kill one Mutilator thread, three more will take its place. It's a bit like the unit actually

If only they had a recursion rule. It's very thematic in cryx, csm could benefit a lot from it. Although honestly it seems more like a daemon or necron thing

Once I had a unit of Mutilators take out a unit of Tactical Marines so I'm not really sure why people say they aren't any good.

Because wiping out tactical marines in CC isn't really impressive? Especially for a whole unit of mutilators?

You can read the thread if you had a few days to find out the details given

Nothing you say will change the fact you dodged that challenge Akia.

That's what really matters in the end!

Challenge?
It's Aki if you want to shorten it

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:
Once I had a unit of Mutilators take out a unit of Tactical Marines so I'm not really sure why people say they aren't any good.

Maybe because Tac Marines are now used as the baseline unit for most things when comparisons are being made? Being able to kill the "average" unit now is no longer that impressive

Akiasura wrote:
Challenge?

Quite coy today aren't we.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570/674138.page#8406479

If you are afraid of losing to Mutas yourself, just write up your Centstar list. I'm sure someone will play it -- in fact I'm not 100% fluent on Vassal but I'll even give it a shot myself.

 War Kitten wrote:
Maybe because Tac Marines are now used as the baseline unit for most things when comparisons are being made? Being able to kill the "average" unit now is no longer that impressive

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. That said, Mutas are not great against Tacs because they kill them slowly and Tacs are Obsec. Battle Company is a bad matchup.

You mean where I asked if someone could point me to where vassal can be downloaded to iPad and if anyone would be willing to play given my internet connection and there was no response?

Yeah, really dodged that one.

IOS is not a good idea, it's more trouble than it's worth.

Figure out a way to play on a Mac OS/Win/Linux machine.

Akiasura wrote:
Judging by the battle reports thus far and how they've died down, I doubt the centstar will be reported.

I'm guessing the eldar report was also never done either.

The Eldar battle report was not done yet. However that had more to do with me not being able to get a time that works for it. I have been practicing with my Eldar Air Force list and have an employee in a very key position that I HAVE to train, so my time is limited to get back to it..

However, it's going to happen. I haven't forgotten.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Having a glass cannon or an 300pt FMC that can't charge doesn't really help with the threat saturation and durability of the list. Maybe go in a different direction, stay with the Sorc but run the 18" Nova ML4 relic. A Termie Sorc can throw Novas at chaff to free up Meganobz and Mutilators locked in combat, both those hit a lot harder than an upgraded Sorc probably will.

Still no takers on Mutant Division versus Centstar?

Still waiting, lol. Also, It's quite some cool idea about Nova relic. How much does this sorc cost? It's also blind, right?
By this time i was just fixed on a ML1-2 nurgle sorc. This primaris is quite nice - it can pull a few casualties and ground FMC! CSM list allready has masque to ground fmc, but this list has literally only rokkits and combi-shootas. Also, if i get the curse, it's even better. Both Mazn and Muties perform better with lower str targets to tickle them. No more ID against fists in melee? Yes, please. And shrowding enemies? Pfff, with my shooting it doesn't matter!

Yoyoyo wrote:
IOS is not a good idea, it's more trouble than it's worth.

Figure out a way to play on a Mac OS/Win/Linux machine.

If you want to convince colleges across the country to stop adopting the iPad for students, especially their graduate students, by all means please do so. I'm not a fan of it.
But I don't make the rules, and they want us to be 100% compliant with the iPad. That means using their blackboard app, tegrity for recording lectures, examsoft for grading...I don't really have a choice on what system I use. Same with my internet connection. This is the nature of being a professor...it means 10 hour work days, 6 days a week. When you're a science professor with graduate students, you're often in a lab.

Regardless, it was hardly a dodge. I understand that reading is hard though


Jan, glad to hear it's still happening and I look forward to seeing it.

Just send some of your students on a vassla struggle against mutilators as part of a scientific project

 koooaei wrote:
Just send some of your students on a vassla struggle against mutilators as part of a scientific project

Haha that would be funny. If I could do things like that, I'd have them doing all my cooking and cleaning...for science!
War hammer would be pretty far down on that list

 koooaei wrote:
Still waiting, lol. Also, It's quite some cool idea about Nova relic. How much does this sorc cost? It's also blind, right?

Sorc + 2x ML + TDA + Relic + Spell Familiar + VotLW tax = 185pts. Blind was exchanged for Soul Blaze in 7th or it would just be too cool.

The great thing about the Relic for your army is it's anti-MSU. A 36" diameter Nova that ignores LOS is a really unique ability, if you can hit 6-10 units and roll high on your 2D6 that is a ton of damage. The smaller the unit, the easier to check Morale so even 1-2 casualties may break a unit before your Shooting phase. If you generate on Pyromancy there is a chance to reroll wounds, which is what you should want. But Melta Beams and Focused Witchfires can snipe out Grav Cannons and Power Fists, and you can stack the cover save from Fire Shield and Shrouding. So at ML4 it becomes a pretty solid discipline. A neat quirk here is that you can potentially take a 2nd melee weapon in Termie Armor, so you could be running Axe+Maul together if you decide to fish on Biomancy for Iron Arm.

You need to figure in an additional 4pts per Mutilator and 3pts per Oblit as a tax for Black Legion. Usually that's pretty painful but Gladius is probably your most difficult matchup, and all your guys will see combat. For Mutas hitting hard on the first turn is important. Plus there is some extra resiliency against Psychic Shriek, saving just a single wound pays that back.

I am looking for positives but there are definitely drawbacks. It's more expensive, you will be focused immediately, and if not you'll probably die from perils. But there are synergies too. Except for Meganobz. They would be getting hit by the Nova too, which is pretty amusing