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DS of course stands for "Delight Star."

I sure hope the commercial failure of Solo does not prevent Lucasfilm from developing the character Enfys Nest.

Off the top of my head, an Imperial Officer in the beginning of ANH:

"The Death Star plans are not in the main computer system"

I don't need those brain cells for something important...

well look at that, solo did so poorly kennedy is on the way out.

https://movieweb.com/kathleen-kennedy-leaving-lucasfilm-star-wars/

We need a ep 9 thread, the spoilers and gossip are getting good for it

apparently in their new attempt to make more money, they're bringing back billy dee and dumping kennedy in a hope to get people back to the theaters.

There is a ton of counter rumor as well, mostly saying it isnt true at all “that she will be replaced by Kevin Feige” (despite that not being the claimed) or that she will not be tired but “who knows” if she may step down for “personal reasons.” I wonder if there will be articles if/when it happens blaming fan bullying.

 Manchu wrote:
There is a ton of counter rumor as well, mostly saying it isnt true at all “that she will be replaced by Kevin Feige” (despite that not being the claimed) or that she will not be tired but “who knows” if she may step down for “personal reasons.” I wonder if there will be articles if/when it happens blaming fan bullying.

that's a tough one, I'm sure she'd love to blame the fan, but as Disney is letting her stay on til sept, they might have a gag order on her, so to speak as a condition. If 9 is going to do big box office numbers they need to lay off with the fan slandering and focus on a great movie and harnessing good pr. It will be interesting to see if this is the end of the media running with stories based on rumors like Trans's, that would be a nice start, but will it be enough to make up a divided fandom and get all of us back into the theater? only time will tell.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only way I'm seeing the next main-sequence movie is if it's titled "Episode VIII - Ignore that Rian Johnson bullgack"

 Vulcan wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only way I'm seeing the next main-sequence movie is if it's titled "Episode VIII - Ignore that Rian Johnson bullgack"

Opening crawl: Due to a space-time rift, the previous events never happened.

 Vulcan wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only way I'm seeing the next main-sequence movie is if it's titled "Episode VIII - Ignore that Rian Johnson bullgack"

Well I won't be bothering with a trip to the cinema to see anything Star Wars related.

...cool.

I, on the other hand, really can't wait for more Rian Johnson Star Wars!

 Spinner wrote:
...cool.

I, on the other hand, really can't wait for more Rian Johnson Star Wars!

your forgot the /sarcasm

you're going to be waiting a long time it seems, solo bombed so badly all movies except 9 are on indefinite hold. I doubt johson will get another chance at it.

https://movieweb.com/star-wars-story-spinoff-movies-on-hold-disney-lucasfilm/

Did you actually read the article? That's not what it says at all. It's two spinoffs that were never officially announced that are rumored to be on hold - all the other projects are full steam ahead, including the Johnson trilogy. Which yes, I am excited for! I think his style's a real breath of fresh air while remaining true to the universe, and I'm eager to see what he'll bring to the table when he can really cut loose.

I'll bet it's miles better than Lucas' Star Wars Goes to Whoville idea.

If there's a lesson to be learned from Solo's returns, it's probably "holy crap, why would you release your movie so it has to compete against Deadpool and friggin' Infinity War".

 Spinner wrote:
Did you actually read the article? That's not what it says at all. It's two spinoffs that were never officially announced that are rumored to be on hold - all the other projects are full steam ahead, including the Johnson trilogy. Which yes, I am excited for! I think his style's a real breath of fresh air while remaining true to the universe, and I'm eager to see what he'll bring to the table when he can really cut loose.

I'll bet it's miles better than Lucas' Star Wars Goes to Whoville idea.

If there's a lesson to be learned from Solo's returns, it's probably "holy crap, why would you release your movie so it has to compete against Deadpool and friggin' Infinity War".

I read it, I just doubt he gets the go ahead.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
Did you actually read the article? That's not what it says at all. It's two spinoffs that were never officially announced that are rumored to be on hold - all the other projects are full steam ahead, including the Johnson trilogy. Which yes, I am excited for! I think his style's a real breath of fresh air while remaining true to the universe, and I'm eager to see what he'll bring to the table when he can really cut loose.

I'll bet it's miles better than Lucas' Star Wars Goes to Whoville idea.

If there's a lesson to be learned from Solo's returns, it's probably "holy crap, why would you release your movie so it has to compete against Deadpool and friggin' Infinity War".

I read it, I just doubt he gets the go ahead.

Okay, but that's...not what you said.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
...cool.

I, on the other hand, really can't wait for more Rian Johnson Star Wars!

your forgot the /sarcasm

you're going to be waiting a long time it seems, solo bombed so badly all movies except 9 are on indefinite hold. I doubt johson will get another chance at it.

https://movieweb.com/star-wars-story-spinoff-movies-on-hold-disney-lucasfilm/

Bit of an odd take.

 Spinner wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
Did you actually read the article? That's not what it says at all. It's two spinoffs that were never officially announced that are rumored to be on hold - all the other projects are full steam ahead, including the Johnson trilogy. Which yes, I am excited for! I think his style's a real breath of fresh air while remaining true to the universe, and I'm eager to see what he'll bring to the table when he can really cut loose.

I'll bet it's miles better than Lucas' Star Wars Goes to Whoville idea.

If there's a lesson to be learned from Solo's returns, it's probably "holy crap, why would you release your movie so it has to compete against Deadpool and friggin' Infinity War".

I read it, I just doubt he gets the go ahead.

Okay, but that's...not what you said.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
...cool.

I, on the other hand, really can't wait for more Rian Johnson Star Wars!

your forgot the /sarcasm

you're going to be waiting a long time it seems, solo bombed so badly all movies except 9 are on indefinite hold. I doubt johson will get another chance at it.

https://movieweb.com/star-wars-story-spinoff-movies-on-hold-disney-lucasfilm/

Bit of an odd take.

is it? boba got scrapped and was in the progress of being made. the other 3 trilogies have had nothing done on them. so it all comes down to 9 and JJ, if it underperforms the other trilogies will be on shaky ground. if 9 bombs all future projects could be put on hold while the mouse cleans house, and waits for the fandom to settle down after the war between the fans RJ started. As RJ generated no momentum moving forward from 8 into 9, he might never see another star wars movie.

Well, yes, it is. Because you took an article about rumors about rumored movies, assumed an as-yet unfilmed movie will bomb, speculated that a director not working on that unfilmed movie will be pushed out of the franchise, and then decided that meant all films but the next movie are definitely on hold, despite that being the exact opposite of the last paragraph in the original article.

"Impossible to see, the future is."

 Spinner wrote:
Well, yes, it is. Because you took an article about rumors about rumored movies, assumed an as-yet unfilmed movie will bomb, speculated that a director not working on that unfilmed movie will be pushed out of the franchise, and then decided that meant all films but the next movie are definitely on hold, despite that being the exact opposite of the last paragraph in the original article.

"Impossible to see, the future is."

I'm not assuming it will bomb, I was just postulating on what I could see happening if it does. If JJ scores the winning run, they'll probably continue down their chosen path. But if it doesn't and when the mouse looks at why, well someone is going to take the fall for it and RJ was in the middle of it.

Yes only time will tell though.

 Spinner wrote:
Well, yes, it is. Because you took an article about rumors about rumored movies, assumed an as-yet unfilmed movie will bomb, speculated that a director not working on that unfilmed movie will be pushed out of the franchise, and then decided that meant all films but the next movie are definitely on hold, despite that being the exact opposite of the last paragraph in the original article.

"Impossible to see, the future is."

True, but TLJ only did as well as it did because so many went to see it going in blind - myself included - and we were VASTLY disappointed. I think you underestimate how many Star Wars fans out there became ex-Star Wars fans because of TLJ and the aftermath. Solo is just the beginning.

Speaking of which, I just got back from watching Solo.

Overall, pretty good. Not game-changing; not 'best yet; just pretty good. Solidly entertaining. A touch predicable in places even without knowing the spoilers, but fun. Lots of neat little shout-outs, including a semi-subtle one to Indiana Jones. Pacing was a slight issue at times, nothing major.

Small complaints only. Some parts of the film were awfully dark, almost like the film was underexposed. Had to have been a thematic choice, but it made a few parts harder to follow than they had to be. The use of the soundtrack occasionally seemed heavy-handed, especially when it harkened back to the original ANH and ESB soundtracks. Nothing critical or mood-breaking, though.

Solo was good. Alden Ehrenreich's no Harrison Ford, but he did well enough. It probably helps that he wasn't playing jaded older Han Solo a la ANH, but a younger and more optimistic one. Donald Glover did an excellent job as Lando, as has been said. Woody Harrelson played his part to a T. Emilia Clarke and Thandie Newton both showed how to play a strong female character that doesn't need to tear down the men around her to appear strong. L3... could have gotten really annoying, had she survived.

Yeah, I know the writer intended Lando and L3 to be 'involved'. Fortunately, it comes across in the movie as L3 pretending to be more human than she actually was. It wasn't all that dissimilar to inexperienced Han pretending to be 'bad' when he really wasn't. I do wonder if L3 wasn't a big joke the original directors were playing on Kennedy... which explains why they weren't allowed to finish the film.

At any rate, it was a solid film. It doesn't deserve the weak sales it's getting... but then, FLJ didn't deserve the sales IT got, so it's a wash for Disney. I'd much rather see more of these than more JJ/Rian nonsense.

Yeah, but sadly Disney is going to get the opposite message. TLJ got amazing sales due to inertia, which backlashed onto Solo, despite Solo being the superior movie. So we'll get more stuff like TLJ and less stuff like Solo.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, but sadly Disney is going to get the opposite message. TLJ got amazing sales due to inertia, which backlashed onto Solo, despite Solo being the superior movie. So we'll get more stuff like TLJ and less stuff like Solo.

Not me. I quit after the travesty of TFA.

So, was Solo suppose to be a re-telling of the Odyssey? I only saw it once, and I am only passingly familiar with the Odyssey.

I think you underestimate how many Star Wars fans out there became ex-Star Wars fans because of TLJ and the aftermath. Solo is just the beginning.

There is also those who are not Star Wars fans who just felt it was a gak movie full stop, now they might well go - nah saw one of those films and it was dire.

Rian Johnson is now on my list of "never watch another one of his films"

I will watch Solo once its on Sky (or whichever it goes to first) as it sounds like it was ok.

 Easy E wrote:
So, was Solo suppose to be a re-telling of the Odyssey? I only saw it once, and I am only passingly familiar with the Odyssey.

Spoiler:

Here are some thoughts:

The Odyssey is about Odysseuess trying to return home to his wife after the Trojan War. Solo leaves Corellia and has all sorts of adventures as he tries to return to Qi'ra.

Well, one very brief adventure.

Can't see it, sorry.

 Easy E wrote:
So, was Solo suppose to be a re-telling of the Odyssey? I only saw it once, and I am only passingly familiar with the Odyssey.

Spoiler:

Here are some thoughts:

The Odyssey is about Odysseuess trying to return home to his wife after the Trojan War. Solo leaves Corellia and has all sorts of adventures as he tries to return to Qi'ra.

In his absence, Odysseusses wife is beset by suitors and needs to fall in with them in order to survive. The same happens to Qi'ra. Then, eventually at the end they are re-united.

The other big tell is that in the "amelstrom" is a ginat monster AND a gravity whirlpool. These are basically Charibondis(sp) and Scylla.

I would need to go back and refamiliarize myself with both works for more details, but am interested in your thoughts.

Interesting, but I'm not sure the connection stands up more than that.

I don't think Solo is a re-telling of the Odyssey at all.

Most importantly, there is no analog to the Trojan War. But also the Odyssey is not about a man starting out in the world. It's about him coming home. It just has no substantive connection to the plot of Solo.

In the case of Solo, "home" is not a place but a person in the form of Qi'ra. That is why he wants to be a pilot, so he can get a ship and return to Corellia for her.

The "war" in the case of Solo is escaping the streets of Corellia.

Don;t have much to say about the starting vs. ending idea. I can see where that does not fit the thematic pattern.

I have a feeling the Odyssey was just one of the books they put in a blender to build the script for Solo. They addeda few others, set to frappe, and then repasted the contents together randomly. Next, some screenwriters and the various directors made a few tweaks and there you go.

 Mr Morden wrote:

I think you underestimate how many Star Wars fans out there became ex-Star Wars fans because of TLJ and the aftermath. Solo is just the beginning.

There is also those who are not Star Wars fans who just felt it was a gak movie full stop, now they might well go - nah saw one of those films and it was dire.

Rian Johnson is now on my list of "never watch another one of his films"

I will watch Solo once its on Sky (or whichever it goes to first) as it sounds like it was ok.

Same here. I’ll Redbox if, but that’s it. And Rian Johnson is on the list of “never watch any crap he’s involved in”, along with Ang Lee, Sacho Baren Cohen, Kanye West (ok, he’s just noise, not video, usually) and Melissa McCarthy. My list of intolerable people in showbiz is small, but he’s on it. Even Zak Snyder is better. And coming from me, that’s saying something.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, but sadly Disney is going to get the opposite message. TLJ got amazing sales due to inertia, which backlashed onto Solo, despite Solo being the superior movie. So we'll get more stuff like TLJ and less stuff like Solo.

In the short term you're certainly correct. But I'm fairly sure they'll get the message when IX tanks even worse than Solo did...

I think Solo owes a lot to film noir and pulp detective/adventure stories but little to Homeric epics. One of the things I really like about the film is how "small" it feels.

The only thing in Solo which is similar to the Odyssey is the "Scylla and Charybdis" incident of the maelstrom.

In related news, The Guardian is reporting that Solo is officially a failure and Disney have canned the ideas of the Boba Fett and Obi Wan films.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/21/star-wars-spin-offs-solo-crashes-at-box-office-lucasfilm-episodes-franchise-results-prequel