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2018/09/28 00:39:24
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Vulcan wrote:tneva82 wrote: Manchu wrote:That’s definitely true. I still read comments about bad acting even despite the acting in the final product being OK to great. Those leaks and rumors were very harmful.
But I think TLJ really hurt the brand. Yes, you have people like me who really hate the movie - and most people don’t care to that level, they’re not even capable of caring that much about some Star Wars movie. That right there is a big part of the issue: people who can take or leave SW, i.e. the vast majority of people, were not motivated by it to go see more SW. Contrast to Black Panther and Infinity War, which drove interest in the MCU brand. People who walked out of TLJ not hating TLJ also were not biting at the bit to see another SW film any time soon. When people left the theater after seeing TFA, however, many were ready for another SW picture ASAP.
Then again as much as I hate to say it TLJ not only made huge bucks but also reviews seems to have been pretty darn high outside hardcore fans...Maybe Disney considers hardcore fans acceptable casualties as they form too small minority to affect.
https://mashable.com/2017/12/20/last-jedi-poll/?europe=true#MgkSOueDSiqg
And when you make about billion profit...
Hate to say it but while Disney has put SW out of my interest list it works for them. What do they care about my feelings when they gain more than 1 customer instead.
Yeah, it made a lot of money. TFA made more, as I recall, something like $1.4 billion in profit. Ticket sales for TLJ dropped off MUCH faster than ticket sales for TFA did. And then we have poor Solo taking it in the neck and pretty much breaking even.
Episode IX is going to tell the tale, as to whether chasing away all the fans in the hope of attracting a new audience will work. I know what I expect, but hey, I've been wrong before. It's possible I'm wrong here too.
Whatever the case, you're not getting me into the theater opening night even at gunpoint. Ain't happening. You can't PAY me enough. (Well, you could, but it'll take five figures.... and the first one won't be a one.) Which will make the second time in my adult life (Solo was the first) that I'll be missing opening night at a SW film. And Solo I would have gone if someone else had bought the ticket...
Whatever one thinks of JJ Abrams, I think he's a legitimate fan, and criticisms about retreading old ground etc aside, did enough in TFA to balance pleasing the new and old audiences.
I also think he's probably aware of the missteps that Johnson took with TLJ, and will do what he can to correct them.
All told, I'm confident we'll get a better film, just not so much that it will be an all time great.
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2018/09/28 06:43:30
Subject: Re:Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Was there any reason JJ Abrams couldn’t have done TLJ? Was he doing something else at the time?
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2018/09/28 18:57:21
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Not sure. They oddly had it set up where all three were going to be directed by different people.
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2018/09/28 20:32:46
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But that's how the original trilogy was done and it was stronger for it.
A New Hope - George Lucas
Empire - Irvin Kershner
Jedi - Richard Marquand
Compare that to Episodes 1 - 3 which are all Lucas.
I guess the idea was to get different directors take on it. JJ Abrams was only ever supposed to direct TFA he mapped out all 3 films but Johnson largely discarded that with TLJ. With the departure of Trevorrow it gave Abrams an opportunity to step back in. He gave some story about wanting to out do himself and TFA but there's probably an element of trying to reset things to his original ideas for the series before Johnson messed around with it.
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2018/09/28 20:41:29
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JJ Abrams and "ideas" in the same sentence? I don't buy it.
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2018/09/28 22:44:11
Subject: Re:Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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DaveC wrote:But that's how the original trilogy was done and it was stronger for it.
A New Hope - George Lucas
Empire - Irvin Kershner
Jedi - Richard Marquand
Compare that to Episodes 1 - 3 which are all Lucas.
I guess the idea was to get different directors take on it. JJ Abrams was only ever supposed to direct TFA he mapped out all 3 films but Johnson largely discarded that with TLJ. With the departure of Trevorrow it gave Abrams an opportunity to step back in. He gave some story about wanting to out do himself and TFA but there's probably an element of trying to reset things to his original ideas for the series before Johnson messed around with it.
The different directors in the OT was mostly down to EpIV nearly driving Lucas into an early grave though, rather than any sort of design. Plus I don't think anyone can argue that Lucas didn't have huge input.
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2018/09/29 02:23:15
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Azreal13 wrote: Vulcan wrote:tneva82 wrote: Manchu wrote:That’s definitely true. I still read comments about bad acting even despite the acting in the final product being OK to great. Those leaks and rumors were very harmful.
But I think TLJ really hurt the brand. Yes, you have people like me who really hate the movie - and most people don’t care to that level, they’re not even capable of caring that much about some Star Wars movie. That right there is a big part of the issue: people who can take or leave SW, i.e. the vast majority of people, were not motivated by it to go see more SW. Contrast to Black Panther and Infinity War, which drove interest in the MCU brand. People who walked out of TLJ not hating TLJ also were not biting at the bit to see another SW film any time soon. When people left the theater after seeing TFA, however, many were ready for another SW picture ASAP.
Then again as much as I hate to say it TLJ not only made huge bucks but also reviews seems to have been pretty darn high outside hardcore fans...Maybe Disney considers hardcore fans acceptable casualties as they form too small minority to affect.
https://mashable.com/2017/12/20/last-jedi-poll/?europe=true#MgkSOueDSiqg
And when you make about billion profit...
Hate to say it but while Disney has put SW out of my interest list it works for them. What do they care about my feelings when they gain more than 1 customer instead.
Yeah, it made a lot of money. TFA made more, as I recall, something like $1.4 billion in profit. Ticket sales for TLJ dropped off MUCH faster than ticket sales for TFA did. And then we have poor Solo taking it in the neck and pretty much breaking even.
Episode IX is going to tell the tale, as to whether chasing away all the fans in the hope of attracting a new audience will work. I know what I expect, but hey, I've been wrong before. It's possible I'm wrong here too.
Whatever the case, you're not getting me into the theater opening night even at gunpoint. Ain't happening. You can't PAY me enough. (Well, you could, but it'll take five figures.... and the first one won't be a one.) Which will make the second time in my adult life (Solo was the first) that I'll be missing opening night at a SW film. And Solo I would have gone if someone else had bought the ticket...
Whatever one thinks of JJ Abrams, I think he's a legitimate fan, and criticisms about retreading old ground etc aside, did enough in TFA to balance pleasing the new and old audiences.
I also think he's probably aware of the missteps that Johnson took with TLJ, and will do what he can to correct them.
All told, I'm confident we'll get a better film, just not so much that it will be an all time great.
Short of the movie being marketed as "Episode VIII - What we should have done the first time around" I don't see much that can be done to salvage the wreckage Rian Johnson left of the Star Wars saga. The Resistance is CRUSHED. Done. Finished. Over. Sure, the First Order suffered some setbacks, but the balance of capabilities against the Resistance is even worse at the end of the movie than at the beginning. Their political position isn't much better. And the First Order still has ALL of their manufacturing capability untouched.
It's not even the U.S. vs. Japan, it's the U.S. vs Jamaica now. And there's no believable way that can be made to work as a realistic conflict.
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2018/09/29 06:43:49
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The thread's about Solo.
It just came out on disc in the UK, but I haven't got Rogue One so I think I'll buy that first.
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2018/09/29 07:11:59
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Have to say, I think Solo has a lot more re-watch potential than R1. I’d buy Solo, and just stream R1.
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2018/09/29 08:39:18
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Amusingly, R1 is £6.99 on DVD and £9.99 to buy a streaming licence from Amazon Prime TV.
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2018/09/29 08:41:55
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It is still available on Netflix here in the States.
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2018/10/01 03:00:56
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Finally saw it on rental. The acting was good, and lots of double crosses. However I felt like it was really missing that StarWars spark. I don't know, it just felt meh.
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2018/10/01 04:38:06
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Vulcan wrote:
Short of the movie being marketed as "Episode VIII - What we should have done the first time around" I don't see much that can be done to salvage the wreckage Rian Johnson left of the Star Wars saga. The Resistance is CRUSHED. Done. Finished. Over. Sure, the First Order suffered some setbacks, but the balance of capabilities against the Resistance is even worse at the end of the movie than at the beginning. Their political position isn't much better. And the First Order still has ALL of their manufacturing capability untouched.
It's not even the U.S. vs. Japan, it's the U.S. vs Jamaica now. And there's no believable way that can be made to work as a realistic conflict.
No, First Order has not yet conquered important parts of the galaxy. All the inner worlds and the factions therein all untouched save the Republic which was decapitated in TFA. Episode 9 will probably feature Resistance trying to convince them to take up arms against First Order.
Unfortunately the movies did not make this very clear. Exposition has been real bad.
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Whatever one thinks of JJ Abrams, I think he's a legitimate fan, and criticisms about retreading old ground etc aside, did enough in TFA to balance pleasing the new and old audiences.
I also think he's probably aware of the missteps that Johnson took with TLJ, and will do what he can to correct them.
The problem is that the 'issues' of the TLJ mostly stem up from how TFA set up the new saga. Namely, minimal exposition, unimaginative plotline and poor definition of characters. RJ took risks with the story to get it interesting again, sure they didn't all work out but result was more interesting and surprising movie than bland and boring TFA.
JJ Abrams is very much a scene driven director, and he is completely the wrong guy to handle setting intensive stories like Star Wars. We saw that in how he did in Star Trek.
Alas, I think that the criticism towards TLJ and Abrams handling it will result to last episode being bland and boring and unsurprising, just like TFA.
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2018/10/01 07:47:33
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Vulcan wrote:
It's not even the U.S. vs. Japan, it's the U.S. vs Jamaica now. And there's no believable way that can be made to work as a realistic conflict.
Don't be silly. Its not vs. Jamaica. Its vs. maybe two dozen refugees in a boat.
But honestly at no point was a realistic conflict ever in the cards. The one and only time the setting even veered toward that was Empire. And even the OT ended with Teddy bears killing armored soldiers with rocks, and the Imperial fleet (and I don't care about expanded novels or whatever) shrugging and leaving/giving up rather than slaughtering the remaining rebel ships and then jockeying for the throne. The imperial mechanisms of power were still in place and largely untouched, and done right, no one would even know the Emperor was dead until a 'legitimate heir' made themselves legitimate, or the whole thing fell apart in a civil war between military factions.
Episode 9 is largely going to involve the Remaining Named Characters doing everything themselves. I'm sure they'll find some way to shove in a fleet battle, but the audience stakes and investment for whoever is on those ships is going to be absurdly low.
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2018/10/01 08:05:10
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Voss wrote:
Episode 9 is largely going to involve the Remaining Named Characters doing everything themselves. I'm sure they'll find some way to shove in a fleet battle, but the audience stakes and investment for whoever is on those ships is going to be absurdly low.
So just like in ROTJ. Where the only person the majority of the audience knew in the space battle was Lando, but this time it will be Poe. Maybe Chewie as well.
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2018/10/01 23:57:07
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Backfire wrote:The problem is that the 'issues' of the TLJ mostly stem up from how TFA set up the new saga. Namely, minimal exposition, unimaginative plotline and poor definition of characters. RJ took risks with the story to get it interesting again, sure they didn't all work out but result was more interesting and surprising movie than bland and boring TFA.
While I agree TFA was bland and, to an extent, predictable which makes it boring, and TLJ did indeed do new things... subverting everything in sight for the sake of subversion, completely ignoring plot hooks set in the previous movie, making every single character unlikeable in one way or another - the less said about 'token comic relief black guy' Finn the better - and reducing the good guys down to 'no change in Hades' at the end of the movie is not what I call good Star Wars. To be frank, I don't consider it good storytelling at all.
But hey, your taste is different. If you enjoy it and want to see more just like it, be my guest. Me and my money will be elsewhere.
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Episode 9 is largely going to involve the Remaining Named Characters doing everything themselves. I'm sure they'll find some way to shove in a fleet battle, but the audience stakes and investment for whoever is on those ships is going to be absurdly low.
So just like in ROTJ. Where the only person the majority of the audience knew in the space battle was Lando, but this time it will be Poe. Maybe Chewie as well.
Don't forget Wedge Antillies! Trust me, most of the audience of RotJ watched ANH and ESB... many of them quite a few times. They remember Wedge; one of five survivors of the Battle of Yavin and one of the few Rogue Squadron pilots to leave Hoth.
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2018/10/02 07:27:00
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Vulcan wrote:Backfire wrote:The problem is that the 'issues' of the TLJ mostly stem up from how TFA set up the new saga. Namely, minimal exposition, unimaginative plotline and poor definition of characters. RJ took risks with the story to get it interesting again, sure they didn't all work out but result was more interesting and surprising movie than bland and boring TFA. While I agree TFA was bland and, to an extent, predictable which makes it boring, and TLJ did indeed do new things... subverting everything in sight for the sake of subversion, completely ignoring plot hooks set in the previous movie, making every single character unlikeable in one way or another - the less said about 'token comic relief black guy' Finn the better - and reducing the good guys down to 'no change in Hades' at the end of the movie is not what I call good Star Wars. To be frank, I don't consider it good storytelling at all. Only plot hook which was ignored in TLJ was Knights of Ren, and that was probably deliberate so they could be saved for the last movie. However they should have been at least mentioned, to build up expectation for the last movie, because now audience won't remember them. Kylo Ren could have said "Gather Knights of Ren!" and marched off the bridge in movie's end or something. I agree about character issues, however they were largely inherited from TFA. Finn was bumbling idiot in the first movie already, if anything TLJ made him (slightly) less so. Problem is that the characters' concept doesn't seem to allow much development - when you're janitor with basic infantry training and other character is already written up as Force user of the series, it's hard to go up from there... People were complaining about Luke but the way first movie set up things, it was basically impossible to go any other route. It was obvious that Luke did not want to get involved with what was going on. Otherwise he would have already. Voss wrote: Episode 9 is largely going to involve the Remaining Named Characters doing everything themselves. I'm sure they'll find some way to shove in a fleet battle, but the audience stakes and investment for whoever is on those ships is going to be absurdly low. Obvious thing they could do is to have Resistance trying to organize rest of the Galaxy to face First Order one last time, then have gigantic space battle where some of the reluctant allies show up in nick of time to save the day. It is easy to see where Lando would fit in there - he would be leader of one these factions. However what will probably happen is that First Order starts to build new Planet killer and heroes destroy it in daring infiltration mission, supported by cute but fierce indigenous alien species, climaxing with final lightsaber fight whilst the station blows up around them...
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2018/10/02 12:29:04
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We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Backfire wrote: Vulcan wrote:Backfire wrote:The problem is that the 'issues' of the TLJ mostly stem up from how TFA set up the new saga. Namely, minimal exposition, unimaginative plotline and poor definition of characters. RJ took risks with the story to get it interesting again, sure they didn't all work out but result was more interesting and surprising movie than bland and boring TFA.
While I agree TFA was bland and, to an extent, predictable which makes it boring, and TLJ did indeed do new things... subverting everything in sight for the sake of subversion, completely ignoring plot hooks set in the previous movie, making every single character unlikeable in one way or another - the less said about 'token comic relief black guy' Finn the better - and reducing the good guys down to 'no change in Hades' at the end of the movie is not what I call good Star Wars. To be frank, I don't consider it good storytelling at all.
Only plot hook which was ignored in TLJ was Knights of Ren, and that was probably deliberate so they could be saved for the last movie. However they should have been at least mentioned, to build up expectation for the last movie, because now audience won't remember them. Kylo Ren could have said "Gather Knights of Ren!" and marched off the bridge in movie's end or something.
I agree about character issues, however they were largely inherited from TFA. Finn was bumbling idiot in the first movie already, if anything TLJ made him (slightly) less so. Problem is that the characters' concept doesn't seem to allow much development - when you're janitor with basic infantry training and other character is already written up as Force user of the series, it's hard to go up from there...
People were complaining about Luke but the way first movie set up things, it was basically impossible to go any other route. It was obvious that Luke did not want to get involved with what was going on. Otherwise he would have already.
Some of the issues with TLJ(Space Chase and Admiral Incoherent Makes Poe Understand Traditional Heroism Is Badwrong aside) are with execution rather than concept. Luke is a good example - in TFA it's specifically called out that he left the map behind; he might have wanted to withdraw from the day-to-day affairs of the galaxy, but he made sure they could find him if he was really needed. Him being a reluctant grumpy hermit isn't the issue, Yoda was that at first, it's that his initial reaction is completely inconsistent with the hook in TFA - for no reason other than Johnson wanted to be an edgelord who "subverted expectations" with stuff like the scene where he chucks the saber away - and he remains in "grumpy hermit" mode for almost the whole movie.
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2018/10/02 14:48:05
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Luke didn't leave the map to find him behind. Leia knew he had gone searching for the origins of the Jedi at some lost temple and was tracking down a map to that temple. It wasn't a map to Luke, just a map to the only place he could be.
Yes, its kind of dumb and no, TFA doesn't explain it well at all.
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2018/10/02 17:27:13
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Azreal13 wrote:I don't think the release cadence has anything to do with the underperformance, although articles circulating online do confirm that's Disney's thinking.
I remain convinced the controversial reception to TLJ is the root cause, I think that killed enough enthusiasm in the fan base, either to not watch Solo at all or at least not worry about a cinema outing, that the box office got hurt. Compounded by the negative rumours that dogged the production, an already gun shy SW fan was never going to rush out and watch.
Which is a shame, the movie embodies what a SW movie should be about as well as any of the new batch, and deserved better. Here's to it doing well on home release.
TLJ is the reason I didn’t see Solo in theaters. I can’t speak for everyone, but that was the cause for me. I MIGHT see 9 in theaters if enough of you guys who disliked TLJ say that 9 fixes it.
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2018/10/03 00:16:24
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timetowaste85 wrote: Azreal13 wrote:I don't think the release cadence has anything to do with the underperformance, although articles circulating online do confirm that's Disney's thinking.
I remain convinced the controversial reception to TLJ is the root cause, I think that killed enough enthusiasm in the fan base, either to not watch Solo at all or at least not worry about a cinema outing, that the box office got hurt. Compounded by the negative rumours that dogged the production, an already gun shy SW fan was never going to rush out and watch.
Which is a shame, the movie embodies what a SW movie should be about as well as any of the new batch, and deserved better. Here's to it doing well on home release.
TLJ is the reason I didn’t see Solo in theaters. I can’t speak for everyone, but that was the cause for me. I MIGHT see 9 in theaters if enough of you guys who disliked TLJ say that 9 fixes it.
Oh, haven't you heard? Nobody disliked TLJ. It was all Russian trolls, apparently
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2018/10/04 12:25:27
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2018/10/04 13:54:08
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Huh. While Russian trolls MAY have also added negative reviews for TLJ, I can honestly say my opinion of it was my own after my best friend said it was on par w/ESB. I went in expecting a good movie, and got a turd. Not because of race or gender bs, but because it was a legitimately unenjoyable mess that focused on killing off the Skywalker lineage/Jedi and Sith ways more than anything else.
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2018/10/04 14:02:53
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Kilkrazy wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again
Huh. This does not shock me.
TLJ was still kind of blarg though.
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2018/10/04 14:57:21
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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LordofHats wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again
Huh. This does not shock me.
TLJ was still kind of blarg though.
Turns out it's a very flawed academic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/9knx14/more_than_half_of_the_fan_backlash_directed_at/
Generally though.. The movie was still bad, it's certainly not like it needed extra attention pushed to it to convince people.
Also.. I can't seem to remember, since I had re-watched Solo because someone dragged me along.. Why was there so much focus on that golden dice chain? Did I miss some sort of weird symbolism attached to them?
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2018/10/04 15:05:59
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Kilkrazy wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again
Seriously thats the latest defence of this POS film - the Russians made my friends and I feel bored and frustrated with the plot, characters and pace... sheesh - what else did they do - shoot JR and Mr Burns.
The amount of money Disney must be sepnding to get these stories out there....
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2018/10/04 15:15:37
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Preacher of the Emperor
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LordofHats wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again
Huh. This does not shock me.
TLJ was still kind of blarg though.
That's the worst part, isn't it? If I want to talk about the legit problems with the movie I get assigned to a side in a shouting match, if I want to talk about the implications it has for Luke, the Force, things I like, I get assigned a side in the same shouting match.
If I want to talk about Solo, or that Mandalorian project, or Guardians of the Galaxy, or Fury Road, it turns into a TLJ shouting match.
So if somebody says oh hey, that guy who keeps changing the subject day after day after day isn't actually as sadly obsessed as he's making it out to be: he's being paid to act that way, or he's a robot - I may not necessarily believe that, but I had to think about it for a hot minute.
And honestly, the study is being overblown by clickbait articles: it acknowledges its own limited test set, and is primarily about breaking down the minority of bad faith actors caught within that test set into different categories.
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2018/10/04 15:51:44
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Even though it "acknowledges its own limited test set", it's still a shocking piece of work from an academic perspective. Both the datasets and an adequate explanation of the criteria used when the author was categorising tweets are entirely absent, and the broad claims made which the clickbait articles are drawing upon aren't even slightly supported by the information that is there. Not to mention that his own bias is evident even in the construction of the study - of all the categories into which he assigns "negative" tweets, none are "constructive criticism" or "disappointment" or anything like that, they're all assigned as either politically motivated, trolls, russian trolls, or bigots.
Basically, even with a dataset so limited and arbitrary as "I grabbed a bunch of tweets @'ing Rian Johnson between these two dates(when did I grab them? did I grab all tweets between those dates or just some? did I do this before or after Johnson purged his own feed a while ago? lul who cares brah)", and a pretty evident bias in intent and methodology, the guy manages to prove....what everyone already knew; there are a few arseholes out there on the internet. He conclusively demonstrates a grand total of one Russian troll in a sample of nearly 1000 twitter accounts, and a dozen more "suspected"(by his standards).
It's a grotesque sham of a paper, even by the often wavy-gravy standards of media analysis, and it's extremely telling which outlets and "personalities" are going loud with its laughable headline claims.
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2018/10/05 02:03:52
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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timetowaste85 wrote:Huh. While Russian trolls MAY have also added negative reviews for TLJ, I can honestly say my opinion of it was my own after my best friend said it was on par w/ESB. I went in expecting a good movie, and got a turd. Not because of race or gender bs, but because it was a legitimately unenjoyable mess that focused on killing off the Skywalker lineage/Jedi and Sith ways more than anything else.
The Empire Strikes Back is a hot mess of a movie. Try giving it the same critical eye you gave The Last Jedi and you'll see the turd your nostalgia has been polishing all these years. I did and I made to the end of Battle of Hoth before turning off the movie. If the internet had existed back then I doubt it would have been praised.
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2018/10/05 02:16:22
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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timetowaste85 wrote:Huh. While Russian trolls MAY have also added negative reviews for TLJ, I can honestly say my opinion of it was my own after my best friend said it was on par w/ESB. I went in expecting a good movie, and got a turd. Not because of race or gender bs, but because it was a legitimately unenjoyable mess that focused on killing off the Skywalker lineage/Jedi and Sith ways more than anything else.
So much this, plus it was just utterly boring.
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