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Fixture of Dakka






Dorset, Southern England

Hi all,
I want a 40k army that I can fund on the cheap. I can always run non-GW models, I just wanted to know whether they run at a fairly high points to model ratio.
Thanks.

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The Burble

Ravenwing are pretty cheap due to the Dark Vengeance kits. You can buy or swap for plasma pistols with your buddies to kitbash your own Black Knights from the standard kit, and then each little $5 dollar model is a terminator equivalent, as far as points go. Unlike terminators though, you might actually win a game.

Inquisitors themselves are actually pretty cheap points wise. One of the cheapest HQs in the game. In general Inquisition isn't cheap army-- most of the units are pretty low-point value.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.

Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.

 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Dorset, Southern England

Alright, what about SoB? I imagine they're similar and also as badly thought out as ever, but I just want something I can source cheap, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

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The Burble

SOB are pretty easily the most expensive army to collect and play in the game. The models are expensive, and again, not particularly points heavy per model.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.

Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.

 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Dorset, Southern England

Harlequins? *sobs*

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BlapBlapBlap wrote:What sort of idiot quotes themselves in their sigs? Who could possibly be that arrogant?
 
   
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If you want a low points to model ratio, you are looking at something like Deathwing or Grey Knights.

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Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
 
   
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They're okay for point-model low ratio. If you ally Assassins, it can help too.
Regardless, I'm glad to see you're potentially starting Inquisition. You've made a sound choice..

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 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Harlequins? *sobs*


Hahahaha sorry I know that it is tragic.

I'd do Ravenwing. They are strong right now, and if you use knights, pretty cheap to collect.

Harlequins wouldn't be too bad. Not as good of a value as GK or something, but not terrible. Problem is that as a stand alone army, they aren't really that strong.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.

Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.

 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Dorset, Southern England

I know I'm being picky, it's just I'm so bored of Spehss Marines.

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As I mentioned before, Assassins are great as Allies.
All of them are around the 150pt mark each, and they're useful.

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Fixture of Dakka






Dorset, Southern England

Is there any way to make CSM playable? I mean, I know that they can play, but is there any way I can make them at least capable of winning, say, 1 in 5 games? Preferably fluffy regarding the main legions.

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Revving Ravenwing Biker




England

That's the thing, apparently all the good Chaos Space Marine builds are really unfluffy.
If you want cheap 40k, ruling out Space Marines makes it a lot harder, but if you can go with CSM that probably helps, though again it sounds as though if you want them to be effective they'll need to be unfluffy.

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CSM can do well when utilizing their handful of actually decent units. Heldrakes / Nurgle Oblits / Flying nurgle DP / Blasmaster weilding Noise Marines. Not fluffy but decently effective.

Trying to get it on the cheap though? Might be hard, since the better units will all be more sought after. Does your LGS have a section for used models?
   
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Harlequins aren't bad. Basic troops are 19 ppm, come in a box of 6. Bikers are 50-60 ppm, box of two. The killers are the transports, BUT their cost is defrayed by the fact that you can use the three models in the transports creatively. Use one as the gunner on the transport (as intended) and scratch build the other two (one with a robe, one with a suit) into a Death Jester and Shadowseer.

That saves you ever having to buy clampacks (given how easy it is to make a solitaire from a standard trouper).



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Harlequin troupe box: 2.85 PP$
Harlequin Biker Box: 2.5 PP$
Harlequin Transport box with 2 Characters: 3.11 PP$

Another option is Cult Mech, whose bread and butter models are highly expensive points wise and skiitari infantry and Sicarians are also highly points efficient boxes.

(Again approximate ratios based on normal upgrades)

Battle Servitors: 2.84 PP$
Kastellan Robots: 4.4 PP$
Skiitari Infantry (as cheaper option): 2.375 PP$
Sicarians: 3.48 PP$
Techpriest Dominus: 4.8 PP$

That's better than space marines in most cases. Onagers and Ironstriders are painful, yes, and you will probably want one onager eventually as they are really quite good but you can also add a knight as a heavy vehicle. While it is a pricey kit it's above 4 PP$.

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 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Alright, what about SoB? I imagine they're similar and also as badly thought out as ever, but I just want something I can source cheap, but it doesn't hurt to ask.


Depends on how/where you source your Sisters. You *can* get lucky on eBay and such and find someone looking to offload a bunch of Sisters for cheap, but this is both rare and requires (generally speaking) being quick-on-the-bid. Buying them new? Hahahahaha.... no. They're one of the most-expensive armies to collect.

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With a bit of converting you can get a decent Chaos space marine army out of a DV box. convert all DA into EC pretty easy.

but thats just more marines.

INQ fall into point sinking issues which could be a good thing for you.

Though ultimately they are still T3 models with 3+ armor saves at best. no shields. but fun effects.

they require the most converting work though to make cool (which can be a good thing or a bad thing if you are buying many many kits to make 1 unit)



 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Dorset, Southern England

 Desubot wrote:
With a bit of converting you can get a decent Chaos space marine army out of a DV box. convert all DA into EC pretty easy.

but thats just more marines.

INQ fall into point sinking issues which could be a good thing for you.

Though ultimately they are still T3 models with 3+ armor saves at best. no shields. but fun effects.

they require the most converting work though to make cool (which can be a good thing or a bad thing if you are buying many many kits to make 1 unit)

Like I said, I'm fine with converting with both eBay GW stuff or other modellers. They seem like fun, especially since you can mix in a lot of themes.

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Inquisitors are a blast to make lists for, IMO. I'm just getting into them myself and am playing around with the different options.

You can also rack up a pretty penny in points real fast, if you want less models. Some Crusaders + Priests and maybe a LR to cart them around. Add a Malleus Terminator Inquisitor and you're already up to 500 points or so.

You'll always lack dedicated armor or fast attack units, though I suppose that's why Inquisitorial Detachments are how they're usually run.

Have you considered allying some Inquisition with your SM to start off slow?
   
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 BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Like I said, I'm fine with converting with both eBay GW stuff or other modellers. They seem like fun, especially since you can mix in a lot of themes.


Then ja looks like inquisition might be the way to go.

though it probably wont win often. it should do fine in a casual setting.

Take two daemon blades for all da fun.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
 
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