After learning of the meeting, Rahman allegedly beat the boy's mother for reporting the crime. It was at this point, the Green Berets had had enough. Quinn and Martland went to confront Rahman.

"He confessed to the crime and laughed about it, and said it wasn't a big deal. Even when we patiently explained how serious the charge was, he kept laughing," Quinn said.

According to reports of the incident, Quinn and Martland shoved Abdul Rahman to the ground. It was the only way to get their point across, according to Quinn. "As a man, as a father of a young boy myself at the time, I felt obliged to step in to prevent further repeat occurrences," Quinn said.

Rahman walked away bruised from getting shoved and thrown to the ground, but otherwise okay, according to teammates. But Rahman quickly reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village. The next day a U.S. Army helicopter landed and took Quinn and Martland away, ending their work in Kunduz Province.

Martland, though, has been fighting to stay in the Army. In February 2015, the Army conducted a "Qualitative Management Program" review board. His supporters suspect because Martland had a

"relief for cause" evaluation

in his service record, the U.S. Army ordered Martland to be "involuntary discharged" from the Army by Nov. 1, 2015.

 Jihadin wrote:

After learning of the meeting, Rahman allegedly beat the boy's mother for reporting the crime. It was at this point, the Green Berets had had enough. Quinn and Martland went to confront Rahman.

"He confessed to the crime and laughed about it, and said it wasn't a big deal. Even when we patiently explained how serious the charge was, he kept laughing," Quinn said.

According to reports of the incident, Quinn and Martland shoved Abdul Rahman to the ground. It was the only way to get their point across, according to Quinn. "As a man, as a father of a young boy myself at the time, I felt obliged to step in to prevent further repeat occurrences," Quinn said.

Rahman walked away bruised from getting shoved and thrown to the ground, but otherwise okay, according to teammates. But Rahman quickly reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village. The next day a U.S. Army helicopter landed and took Quinn and Martland away, ending their work in Kunduz Province.

Never never lay hands on another individual in a aggressive manner. You know that.

 Hordini wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

After learning of the meeting, Rahman allegedly beat the boy's mother for reporting the crime. It was at this point, the Green Berets had had enough. Quinn and Martland went to confront Rahman.

"He confessed to the crime and laughed about it, and said it wasn't a big deal. Even when we patiently explained how serious the charge was, he kept laughing," Quinn said.

According to reports of the incident, Quinn and Martland shoved Abdul Rahman to the ground. It was the only way to get their point across, according to Quinn. "As a man, as a father of a young boy myself at the time, I felt obliged to step in to prevent further repeat occurrences," Quinn said.

Rahman walked away bruised from getting shoved and thrown to the ground, but otherwise okay, according to teammates. But Rahman quickly reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village. The next day a U.S. Army helicopter landed and took Quinn and Martland away, ending their work in Kunduz Province.

Never never lay hands on another individual in a aggressive manner. You know that.

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of times outside of "never" in which soldiers lay hands on and take other forceful actions on other individuals in a (very) aggressive manner. What if he had been a suspected militant rather than a corrupt, child- and woman-abusing police official?

Bacha bāzī (Persian: بچه بازی‎, literally "playing with boys"; from بچه bacha, "child", and بازی bāzī, "game") is a slang term in Afghanistan for any activity that involves an adult sexually preying on a child. It includes child pornography, sexual slavery and child prostitution in which prepubescent and adolescent boys are sold to wealthy or powerful men for entertainment and sexual activities.[1] Bacha bazi has existed throughout history,[2] and is currently reported in various parts of Afghanistan.[3][4][5][6][7] Force and coercion are a common component of this abuse, and security officials state they are unable to end it because many of the men involved in bacha bazi-related activities are powerful and well-armed warlords including former Northern Alliance commanders.[8][9][10]

During the Taliban's rule (1994-2001), bacha bazi carried the death penalty.[11][12] A documentary film by Najibullah Quraishi about dancing boys was screened by the UK Royal Society of Arts on March 29, 2010[13] and aired by the U.S. TV series PBS Frontline on 20 April 2010."[14] The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, being "against both sharia law and the civil code",[15] but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have been reportedly complicit in related crimes.[16][17]

 Jihadin wrote:
I don't think your tracking where I'm at to

 Hordini wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I don't think your tracking where I'm at to

No, I'm tracking. And I see the reasoning to relieve him during the deployment. I question though whether a "soft" relief might have been more appropriate, as that wouldn't have near-automatically ended his career like the relief for cause did.

Relapse wrote:
Kicking out a decorated vet for protecting a rape victim:

Relapse wrote:
I guess they're trying to balance the scales for protecting a deserter who got a White House rose garden tribute. Par for the course these days.

Relapse wrote:
The thing that is getting myself and many others riled is the double standard exibited here between this soldier and Bergdahl.

Relapse wrote:
And I'll elaborate, this piece of crap gets a White House ceremony in the rose garden. Not like his case is going to be prejudiced or anything.

 redleger wrote:
Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.

Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.

Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.

My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 redleger wrote:
Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.

Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.

Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.

My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.

Nothing like Bacha Bazi to turn your stomach and make you want to nuke the whole country and just label it a lost cause.

 redleger wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 redleger wrote:
Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.

Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.

Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.

My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.

Nothing like Bacha Bazi to turn your stomach and make you want to nuke the whole country and just label it a lost cause.

Ghazi is another subject entirely. I don't wanna get started on the hatred towards the administration for that. I often think the administration must have several 40k tables set up in the warroom because they definatly have no issues sacrificing us like Cultists trying to hold an objective.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:
I really wish people (especially) vets would stop taking these stories at face value. You and I don't know the story. We don't know the story in this case, and we certainly don't know the whole story in Bergdahl's case. My unit TACOPS officer wouldn't elaborate but what you've heard about Bergdahl is wrong on a lot of levels.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 redleger wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 redleger wrote:
Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.

Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.

Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.

My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.

Nothing like Bacha Bazi to turn your stomach and make you want to nuke the whole country and just label it a lost cause.

Ghazi is another subject entirely. I don't wanna get started on the hatred towards the administration for that. I often think the administration must have several 40k tables set up in the warroom because they definatly have no issues sacrificing us like Cultists trying to hold an objective.

when/where were you? I was in Helmand for the Big Push. We had it pretty bad but I can't imagine how bad the Brits must have had it. One guy who had done a tour with the Brits who had rotated back in told us they were literally running out of ammo on some posts and were preparing to fix bayonets.

Relapse wrote:
This situation with the child rapists is beginning to get more coverage in the news. For those who were over there, how bad was it with these guys?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/26/lawmakers-question-whether-pentagon-encouraged-troops-to-turn-blind-eye-to/

 Ouze wrote:

I'll repeat what I said previously: If you put on our country's uniform, I'd prefer for our government to make every effort to retrieve you from enemy forces, even if you weren't a good soldier. Even if maybe it was your own fault you got captured. Especially if you weren't, at the time, charged with anything and we have a presumption of innocence until proven guilty (I could swear I read that somewhere). Even if it's just so you can be tried for desertation, because the penalty for deserting should be jail, not having your head cut off on the internet by people who declared war on us. That I even need to type this is mind blowing. I know you have a huge rage boner for Obama but FFS, think about the arguments you're making.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

Relapse wrote:
This situation with the child rapists is beginning to get more coverage in the news. For those who were over there, how bad was it with these guys?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/26/lawmakers-question-whether-pentagon-encouraged-troops-to-turn-blind-eye-to/

go spend 5 minutes researching " Bacha Bazi" and if you can still keep your lunch down their may be something wrong with you.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

I'll repeat what I said previously: If you put on our country's uniform, I'd prefer for our government to make every effort to retrieve you from enemy forces, even if you weren't a good soldier. Even if maybe it was your own fault you got captured. Especially if you weren't, at the time, charged with anything and we have a presumption of innocence until proven guilty (I could swear I read that somewhere). Even if it's just so you can be tried for desertation, because the penalty for deserting should be jail, not having your head cut off on the internet by people who declared war on us. That I even need to type this is mind blowing. I know you have a huge rage boner for Obama but FFS, think about the arguments you're making.

I think you're mixing up who started this war and stuff.

Anyway, this all could have been avoided if the soldier had just blown the native's head off, then claimed he had been waving a loaf of bread or something in a threatening manner.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure I got it right. Maybe lay off the manifest destiny a little, it's hampering your objectivity.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Since when is al-Qaeda synonymous with Afghanistan? Yes, the Taliban government provided shelter to bin Ladin and his ilk, but I'm pretty sure it was the US that attacked Afghanistan. I'm not going to pretend that they didn't have it coming, but technically the nation of Afghanistan didn't attack the US.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 redleger wrote:
Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.

Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.

Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.

My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.

Nothing like Bacha Bazi to turn your stomach and make you want to nuke the whole country and just label it a lost cause.