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Hey all,

So I was curious; can the CSM codex produce a cultist list? I know it's not going to work at all on a competetive level, but I was looking at making a Nurgle cult army based around the Anvil Industry Tox Troopers and wondered whether it was at least possible to use fluffwise or whether I should just use the AM codex instead.

Thanks!

Sure, cultists for troops, possessed as possessed humans who happen to gain a chitinous exoskeleton for the armor, spawn rush for the less dedicated devotees, perhaps a sorcerer for the HQ?


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Better yet, Dark Apostle HQ. Maybe a DP for a real star cultist who impressed nurgle

There a heretics and renegades list in Siege of Vraks I think. It's one of the IA books.

Sorceror or Dark Apostle as HQ
Cultists as troops

Possessed and Spawn (mutated members of the cult maybe?)
it is entirely possible

Get Siege of Vraks if you want to run zombie cultists (fearless cultists) Imperial Armour 13 if you want unmarked. Either way, it's basically a imperial guard codex that lets you also run chaos units. Win. And it's actually a lot more competitive than vanilla csm.

No its not possible, while you can max out on cultists, you'll lack any kind of real punch, get imperial armour 13 renegades and heretics list and go with that, it's much better.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Get Siege of Vraks if you want to run zombie cultists (fearless cultists) Imperial Armour 13 if you want unmarked. Either way, it's basically a imperial guard codex that lets you also run chaos units. Win. And it's actually a lot more competitive than vanilla csm.

Probably a stupid question, is it a stand alone list? Or do I need to shell out another £30 to make it playable?

Actually you can make a cultists list it could even be fairly functional providing your willing to include daemon engines

If you go the csm route, you should consider getting this demon prince from ultraforge : http://www.ultraforgeminiatures.com/?page_id=27
I think he'd look sweet with the tox troopers

As mentioned, go with Siege of Vraks Second Edition or Imperial Amrour 13! Both are awesome lists - and yes, they are indeed stand alone lists.

Maybe this thread is worth a look: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/660929.page

No, that book is Codex: Chaos SPACE MARINES. It is not Codex: Chaos Cultists.

IA13 and IA5 both have different flavors of traitor guard lists. use them.

IA13 or IA5 2nd edition for non super-human chaos goodness!

IA13 is the bettter dex.

You could make a fairly effective horde army using lots of cultists, Dark Apostle with a relic mace to give them all Zealot, some dark sorcery and daemon engines.

But if you want pure umie heretical army, you should take a look at IA13

Tyrants Legion is another option to build traitor guard mixed with Marines (very suitable for Alpha Legion use) <- free to download as well!

You'd better get the free Forgeworld list, IA 13 (or 5) or the AM codex, unless you want to do some heavy converting or be seriously limited in your unit choices.

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Get Siege of Vraks if you want to run zombie cultists (fearless cultists) Imperial Armour 13 if you want unmarked. Either way, it's basically a imperial guard codex that lets you also run chaos units. Win. And it's actually a lot more competitive than vanilla csm.

Probably a stupid question, is it a stand alone list? Or do I need to shell out another £30 to make it playable?

Both SOV and IA 13 are standalone lists/codexes, which you pick depends on what you want. IA 13 allows for any/all the gods/marks, SOV is just Khorne and Nurgle. If you just wanted nurgle, as you mentioned him specifically, go with SOV. It has an interesting detachment called The Purge that allows for many more elite slots. Another detachment in it called Unending Host might be just what you are looking for. You get 12 Troops slots, and four of them are compulsory. You also only get one Fast attack and Heavy slot each, and two Elite slots. Your renegade infantry units may return to the table on a 2+ rather than 5+ and may outflank when they return, as well as gaining another dice on run moves (and choosing the best) for the turn that they arrive on the board. In addition cover saves derived from the enemy firing through your Infantry squads are increased to 3+ for your units only.

You can read about it here for a general overview and possible tactics: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Renegades_and_Heretics(7E)

The advantages of IA:13 list over IA:Vraks:

-Covenant of tzeentch allows bs2 units throughout the army
-Covenant of slannesh allows fleet on units throughout the army
-Allows for cheap OS spawn with unlocks
-Sigils from this one automatically allow the passing of a ld test a turn compared to Vraks kust granting stubborn.
All of the above are so hard to lose if you want to go down the vraks route. However I believe Vraks to be stronger due to the following...

The advantage of IA:Vraks over IA:13:
-Spawn and various other units do not require unlocks (but not OS)
-Ordnance Tyrant allows for certain artillery to be Elites or troops as well as HS. It also allows you to target units in combat with your own.
-The Purge gives 6 elites and 4 HS but no FA. The compulsory are 1 HQ and 2 elites instead of troops (great when combined with ordnance Tyrant or spawn).
-The Purge also allows for all blasts to give dangerous terrain for a turn and the option of flamers and krak missiles gaining shred and gets hot.
-The Unending Host (which I personally consider insanely OP), has a heavy buy in with 1 HQ (which has to have master of the horde) and 4 troops as compulsory, but all renegade infantry squads respwan when dieing on a 2+ and get to return with outflank and all original wargear and upgrades. It also gives a 3+ cover to any of its units behind renegade infantry.

I swing from one to the other each month deciding which is better. I've played both IA's a fair bit and I still struggle to decide.

If you have a CSM army though, I'd go for IA:13 so you have the full range of vehicles for them as well.



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^ninja'd

Make use of the helcult formation. Dreadnaughts arent great, but making cultists fearless is fantastic.

Also with only 6 troop slots you will run out of cultist squads quickly at 1800+ points

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Get Siege of Vraks if you want to run zombie cultists (fearless cultists) Imperial Armour 13 if you want unmarked. Either way, it's basically a imperial guard codex that lets you also run chaos units. Win. And it's actually a lot more competitive than vanilla csm.

Probably a stupid question, is it a stand alone list? Or do I need to shell out another £30 to make it playable?

Both the Renegades and Heretics list in.. IA13(? I think) and the Renegades of Vraks in the condensed Siege of Vraks books are 100% functional on their own.

Well that's not actually true. Siege of Vraks has a horrifying amount of copy > paste issues from IA13(?). So technically you can't field Chaos Spawn at all, and a unit which you can field a certain way isn't in the codex.

But other than typos / stupidity, they're wholly self contained.

Almost self contained. There are a few weapon profiles missing from the back of both. But that falls into the typo/stupidity catagory that morganfreeman mentioned.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Get Siege of Vraks if you want to run zombie cultists (fearless cultists) Imperial Armour 13 if you want unmarked. Either way, it's basically a imperial guard codex that lets you also run chaos units. Win. And it's actually a lot more competitive than vanilla csm.

Probably a stupid question, is it a stand alone list? Or do I need to shell out another £30 to make it playable?

Both the Renegades and Heretics list in.. IA13(? I think) and the Renegades of Vraks in the condensed Siege of Vraks books are 100% functional on their own.

Well that's not actually true. Siege of Vraks has a horrifying amount of copy > paste issues from IA13(?). So technically you can't field Chaos Spawn at all, and a unit which you can field a certain way isn't in the codex.

But other than typos / stupidity, they're wholly self contained.

The spawn part is outright wrong.

Varks are BETTER for fielding spawn, because they have no limiting factor attached to them, unlike IA13.
The fact another, similar yet COMPLETELY SEPARATE list have a requirement for spawn has no effect over varks list.

Arguable as to which is better for fielding spawn. I tend to agree that vraks is better due to no limit and no need for unlocks, however IA:13 allows for objective secured spawn. OS is great for spawn due to the fact that their damage output isn't amazing but their dutability per point is, so you are likely to have them locked in combat for a couple of turns on an objective.