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Can a friendly unit fit inside another friendly unit 2 inch coherency?

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If a and b are seperate friendly units can you do this? Also if you failed a morale save can you fit in the middle of a unit and avoid being trapped? (if you dont mind telling me the page I can find it in the rule book)

Do move through cover units suffer - 2 to their charge move?

You can, but:

1. If the unit falls back and can't move it's distance in any direction to get closer to the table edge, it's removed from play.

2. The charging models would have to physically go around other models.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
You can, but:

1. If the unit falls back and can't move it's distance in any direction to get closer to the table edge, it's removed from play..

(Emphasis mine).

where does it say this? (Specifically the underlined)

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, but you can't move the other unit. "It must go around [the model]" per BRB. If you can't place one... destroyed.

No, per BRB special rule.

I think that's all correct to my reading. Never really did it in a game as it seems like it should be illegal... but guess not.



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 DeathReaper wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
You can, but:

1. If the unit falls back and can't move it's distance in any direction to get closer to the table edge, it's removed from play..

(Emphasis mine).

where does it say this? (Specifically the underlined)

BRB ==> MORALE ==> FALL BACK ==> 4th paragraph

Think he is picking at the use of 'the' instead of 'their.'

JinxDragon wrote:
Think he is picking at the use of 'the' instead of 'their.'

No. I wasn't.


The 4th graph states "Each model in the unit moves directly towards their own table edge by the shortest possible route. If playing a mission where there is no ‘own’ table edge, models move towards the closest table edge instead."

I don't see where they need to get closer to the table edge. They could end up further from their table edge and still have a legal fall back move right?

If moving away from the table edge is the shortest route towards the table edge, i.e. they must move around something to do so, then sure.

Is that the point you're trying to make?

Wonder why my brain keeps half reading things today....
Trapped! gives specific permission for the Unit to move away from their table edge.

yes. if you are retreating away from a squad and yall are fighting on a diagonally placed piece of inpassible terrain (as a valley) then yes, you'd move away from your table edge only so you may go around it ASAP.

Yes you can do this and you can run between models in a friendly squad if there is at least enough room for your base to fit between the 2 models.
You aren't really going to find a specific rule quote as you are looking for the absence of a rule to say you can't, there wont be a specific rule to say you can. The closest I can find is in the 'trapped!' section of morale where it says you cant go within 1" of an enemy, but makes no mention 1" for allies.
No-one would suffer a penalty for moving through cover from this, but you do have to move around the bases of the other squad as you move them one at a time, so you would end up going a bit slower.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
If moving away from the table edge is the shortest route towards the table edge, i.e. they must move around something to do so, then sure.

Is that the point you're trying to make?

Double back = Auto dead

 CKO wrote:
Can a friendly unit fit inside another friendly unit 2 inch coherency?

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Would Charging such a unit require a Multi-Charge, since you would invariably need to be getting within 1" of an enemy model? Obviously depending on base size, of course.

If they are:

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All depends on the direction they are charging. If a charge right/left should be:
.................... a a...........................a
aba................b a .................b ....a ..a
aba . >> ......b a -- >> .......b...........a
aba.............a b .a................. b ....a..a


If the first line of a can get in base contact, then the rest could pile in later.

 Dozer Blades wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:
If moving away from the table edge is the shortest route towards the table edge, i.e. they must move around something to do so, then sure.

Is that the point you're trying to make?

Double back = Auto dead

How do you figure that? It doesn't say that anywhere, just that you must go to your table edge by the shortest route. It doesn't matter if that shortest route isn't very direct.

 Dozer Blades wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:
If moving away from the table edge is the shortest route towards the table edge, i.e. they must move around something to do so, then sure.

Is that the point you're trying to make?

Double back = Auto dead

That is a dinosaur of a rule that did not make it into 7th as far as I can tell.

 DeathReaper wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Think he is picking at the I don't see where they need to get closer to the table edge. They could end up further from their table edge and still have a legal fall back move right?

I would say that if the only path that lead to the table edge meant moving away from the table edge from a bird's eye view, then you're still moving closer to the table edge, albit on an unusual path.

Doubling back means you can't move 5" backwards and 6" forwards along the same path to avoid being trapped.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Think he is picking at the I don't see where they need to get closer to the table edge. They could end up further from their table edge and still have a legal fall back move right?

I would say that if the only path that lead to the table edge meant moving away from the table edge from a bird's eye view, then you're still moving closer to the table edge, albit on an unusual path.

Doubling back means you can't move 5" backwards and 6" forwards along the same path to avoid being trapped.

Where does it say that you can not double back?

@ Deathreaper

Rulebook, page 58, "Trapped! wrote:{...} The unit may move around these obstructions in such a way as to get back to their table edge by the shortest route, {...} even if this means moving away from their table edge. If the unit cannot perform a full Fall Back move in any direction without doubling back, it is destroyed