So, if your army becomes as OP as people say Eldar are

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**Melissia**

... how do you think you would react?

The hype for your army builds up, some really cool ideas for new units, you get hopeful for new rules, etc... then bam-- you realize that your codex is the most broken thing in 40k, at least until the next release. There's plenty of brokenness if you just play powerful units and ignore the lore, but even playing a lore-friendly army you'll still be more competitive than the rest of the game. And at the same time, everyone hates you for the army you play, even if you've been playing it for a very long time.

Will you stop playing the army out of protest? Will you keep playing, but try to tone it down? Will you keep playing as a lore-friendly army? Will you abuse the hell out of it?

edit: And just to be clear, this isn't intended to be yet another thread where people whine about Eldar. It's a hypothetical question about every other army instead.

**krodarklorr**

Well, if Necrons were released and they were OP, I dunno what I.....oh wait.

**DorianGray**

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**AlmightyWalrus**

That's a very positive outlook on things, and I can't imagine why anyone would ever disagree with you, ever. Truly you are the pinnacle of good taste and great manners.

**Rune Stonegrinder**

I only have Guard and Chaos Marines, should either of them go the way Eldar went. I'd probably do what I'm doing for eldar right now..tone it done in casual games.

**pumpinchimp**

Wait a couple of weeks until the new Tau codex comes out and I'll let you know

I'd tone my army down a bit, I'm playing with models I like rather than taking an optimised list anyway (the Sunshark Bomber is a regular in my army)

**gmaleron**

Hate to say it it's been my experience to that the majority of Space Marine players I've come across act this way, I know it's not all Space Marine players just my personal experience. And I will agree it's getting to the point that I really don't care if my Tau curb stomp them or beat them in a close game...actually it's downright satisfying.

that being said I'm not a complete jerk and I go out of my way to ask what kind of list they are fielding (casual or competitive) and base my list off of that.

pumpinchimp wrote:
Wait a couple of weeks until the new Tau codex comes out and I'll let you know

Oh I know, I'm already looking forward to the crying, sobbing and the demanded nerfs!

**topaxygouroun i**

Given that my main army (Tyranids) have been at the bottom of the food chain for the last 3 editions straight, I would take my time to collect sweet tears in my bio-tear pool to ease my 5 years drought, and when I felt that karma had been balanced I would turn to completely fluffy units.

**Rune Stonegrinder**

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Given that my main army (Tyranids) have been at the bottom of the food chain for the last 3 editions straight, I would take my time to collect sweet tears in my bio-tear pool to ease my 5 years drought, and when I felt that karma had been balanced I would turn to completely fluffy units.

Really? Its to my understanding that Flyrants still do very well, not top notch but above average.

**Melissia**

I'm with the Tyranid player, I'd totally rub it in peoples' faces if Sisters became the new OP.

**Polonius**

This happened with me and IG in early 5th edition.

I enjoyed it! I played to win, and enjoyed a few years of a really strong army. When playing knock around games, I included the bad units (hello penal legion, sentinels, and Ogryn), and still had fun.

**master of ordinance**

I would take my Imperial Guard and bathe in the salty tears of victory.

**topaxygouroun i**

Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
topaxygouroun i wrote:
Given that my main army (Tyranids) have been at the bottom of the food chain for the last 3 editions straight, I would take my time to collect sweet tears in my bio-tear pool to ease my 5 years drought, and when I felt that karma had been balanced I would turn to completely fluffy units.

Really? Its to my understanding that Flyrants still do very well, not top notch but above average.

Flyrants does not equal tyranid codex. It is one model out of the whole tyranid range and as you say, it is merely above average. So tyranids have one model that is above average and all the rest of the codex is useless. This is called a bad codex.

**Lobokai**

If one of my armies became the new pinnacle of OPness (and my local club is convinced white scars with grav bikes is just that), I'd play a few games to enjoy the carnage and then play one of my other forces for awhile.

**Sledgehammer**

Sentinels would need a big boost, as would individual guardsmen (ie not hordes), and vendettas would need to be even better than their previous iteration.

If that happened I wouldn't care because I haven't won a game since the Necron dex came out. Even then, before the Necron dex came out I lost 60% of my games.

**master of ordinance**

Allow me to put it another way:
I have had to endure Dark Angels, Tau, Space Marines, Space Wolves and Grey Knights and my opponents have never pulled any punches (and neither have I asked them too). I have been pounded and pounded again, not because my strategies and tactics where bad, not because my list was underpowered but because my opponents codex's are that far above mine that I stand almost no chance. I have had my victories. I have had my wins. And even when I have lost I have given a good account for myself.

But if my army where to become as broken as the Eldar army I would not hesitate to use it to its full advantage. I would enjoy seeing the tables turned and my opponents having to struggle along with third rate units. I would introduce them to how it felt to be me. And if they complained I would remind them that I had to cope in their situation against every opponent that I faced for many years. I would lord over them and I would enjoy it.

Does this make me a TFG? Maybe. But, as with all Guard players I deserve it. It is about time that we had our turn in the spotlight.

**Dman137**

Wow and people say I troll

**AncientSkarbrand**

As a daemons player i'm not too sure i have much to say, i would consider a few builds in my codex to be roughly top-tier and a few other builds to be abysmally terrible. I just want better synergy and internal balance, and ally shenanigans. A reason to take at least one or two csm units would be nice.

But if i got a new codex and it was OP, i would tell everyone in my group i wanted to run OP builds for awhile, and they would appreciate the challenge from the new hotness and gather themselves in preparation for those games. But it wouldnt take me very long to get bored of that (except maybe against my eldar and necron buddies). Afterwards I would revert to my current mixture of strong and fluffy.

Basically what i'm saying is i would just give my group a heads up. It doesnt take long to have a conversation, and even if a player thinks he's going to lose, the respect shown by the conversation is much better than plunking down said OP build and smashing face. I've had tons of fun losing against strong lists i had the chance to prepare for. But when i get stomped and brought a normal tac list when his was tailored and optimized, i feel like i should have been told and it creates a negative aura around the game table.

I just want everyone to have fun. I want everyone to respect eachother. So i would do whatever i could to preserve that notion. If it meant keeping the cheese to a minimum, i would do it. I would feel bad otherwise. But if they wanted the cheese, i'd spread it on thick and stinky.

**Rune Stonegrinder**

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
topaxygouroun i wrote:
Given that my main army (Tyranids) have been at the bottom of the food chain for the last 3 editions straight, I would take my time to collect sweet tears in my bio-tear pool to ease my 5 years drought, and when I felt that karma had been balanced I would turn to completely fluffy units.

Really? Its to my understanding that Flyrants still do very well, not top notch but above average.

Flyrants does not equal tyranid codex. It is one model out of the whole tyranid range and as you say, it is merely above average. So tyranids have one model that is above average and all the rest of the codex is useless. This is called a bad codex.

If you say so, I know a few Nid players who seem to be doing rather well, not top of the ladder but above average.

**Polonius**

There are players that will complain about every army if they lose to it twice.

There are players that will complain about everything certain players bring, because they just don't like that player.

However, for most players, don't relentlessly play net-lists, play fun lists for fun games, and you'll be fine.

**TheNewBlood**

A lot of people will just keep on playing the same army they used to. It might shift a bit in power, and they might decide they want to tone it down for some games, but ultimately they'll keep playing.

Armies would become "as OP as Eldar" if they had a few game-breaking units. All you have to do to make your army not OP is simply not include those units.

**GoliothOnline**

I play CSM. If CSM apart from paying over $110 + Import Charges on FW books, become "Decent" and "Competitive" without having to dip into the Forgeworld Basin in reserves as half my army, I'll happily tone my army down.

As it stands, half my CSM collection outside of the bare minimums are FW models, between Fire Raptor Gunships, Slaughterers, Blight Drones, Plague Hulks, Decimators, R&H, Contemptors, So yeah, Im not really convinced in the least bit that GWs most hated Faction and meat shield shoot em up army for their IOM counterparts whom they baby so much, will ever get a codex NOT riddled with trashy new units like Forgefiends, useless units like Mutilators and Warp Talons and lastly gimp units like the bare bones Las-LR, Predator.

Having said all this, I moved into FW territory to play the army I like because GW doesnt give a flying crap about balancing Chaos as a faction. Id rather spend my money on models I can play competitively with the lads than pay equal amounts for models that sit around and die.

**AncientSkarbrand**

Right, but a unit of eldar jetbikes isnt game breaking. Sometimes it isnt just the unit, but the abundance, spammability, and counterability of them in conjunction with other units. For example, six units of min scatbikes backed up by d cannons of whatever flavour can't be countered as well with AV 13. If it was just jetbikes that were OP, you could subvert those builds with armour. The D removes that choice. It also forces you to focus on both units because they are both immediate, extreme threats. When a codex has a sort of opposing synergy like that, it makes it damn near impossible to limit your builds and still resemble an army you built to compete with your friend instead of a semi-serious, clearly limited build. And that then removes the fun for the player with the OP dex.

I think talking with your opponent and just talking about what game you're expecting out of the game is the only way, short of GW actually fething balancing their game.

**Dozer Blades**

Honestly I have no sympathy for eldar players. The codex is grossly overpowered and there are no bad units. Go ahead and power game but don't expect anyone to say it's cool.

**Ravenous D**

Well the first thing I did when eldar came out was build a lictor shame army and slapped down all the jetbike eldar players.

Second thing I did was make a fairly standard marine army and slapped down all the jetbike eldar players.

I might try necrons next, or maybe guard. I haven't had a hard time with eldar at all.

Not really a big deal. People just need to stop bitching and actually adapt.

**vipoid**

If Dark Eldar became overpowered, I'd immediately check my totem.

If, by some miracle, it wasn't actually a dream then I expect I'd enjoy the ability to make fluffy lists, with a book that doesn't actively punish me for it.

I expect I'd particularly enjoy a HQ section that isn't universally outclassed by garden gnomes, having some decent wargear to put on said HQs, and having some actual special rules on my units.

Then I'd check my totem again because I'd know for sure that I was in a coma.

**Makumba**

I don't think any army can compare to eldars total domination of 6 out of 7 editions w40k had. There for the reaction will always be different. There were many good codex in history, but no one can claim being always OP like eldar do. And even that one edition where they were not OP, the lowest they sank was good. There for I doubt that any leafblower or GK player ever had to deal with what eldar players do.

**master of ordinance**

Dman137 wrote:
Wow and people say I troll

You do. By telling us that your blatantly stupidly overpowered army is not stupidly overpowered and then complaining, whining and telling everyone to "Learn 2 Play N00B" when they try to suggest fixes.

So come now, tell me how you have issues with a player of one of the weakest armies in the game fantasising about not having to pull everything out in order to stand even the slightest chance?

**vipoid**

The problem is, it's hard to know what your reaction would be without knowing exactly why your book was OP. e.g. is every unit OP, or is it more down to a handful of *really* OP ones.

In the former case, you could maybe spend more than you normally would on fluffy gear or such to try and balance it out a bit. If the latter, then it probably depends on whether or not you like/own said OP units.

e.g. Venoms becoming super-OP (to the point where I'd feel guilty about using them) would hurt me a lot more than, say, beast packs becoming OP - simply because I own 5 of the former and none of the latter.

**Brother SRM**

I'd keep playing and maybe change my lists to not have so much of the overpowered stuff.