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I know the internet is full of people complaining but is anyone else having a great time playing 40k right now. The core rules are decent with a few tweaks, most which the ITC has provided. Further most the internet rage cheese are things i've never actually seen in real life. Additionally i've found the few times that cheese is present, the issues can be resolved by talking to you opponent and working out a fair list for each side. Additionally the production quality on both models and codex are beautiful.

I'm having a grand time playing with my friends. We're all fairly casual players, so our games are filled with banter and stuff like that, so its all great fun.

Honestly, not really.

But my issues stem from the fact that I play orks and that I can't find a decent gaming group, despite living in Denver. I have to drive 40 minutes one way to find a hobbytown that even has people show up regularly.

But I did get a game in at the GW store on Saturday, and I brought my bully boyz formation (meganobz) v. eldar. He had like 15 ish str 8 ap 2 guns, and in turn 2 I went from 15 meganobz to 1.

I'll admit that has a lot to do with playing orks, but still. It's hard to say you're having fun when 80% of your army is wiped out in one shooting phase with no saves.

And I could have list tailored, but that's not exactly fair either. I came in wanting to play meganobz and I just happened to play against lance spam.

Anyways. Balance issues aside, I feel as if the rules are decent, and could be great with some actual FAQ support from GW, and ITC helps a lot to fill in the gaps.

And even though I play orks, I think I would have more fun if I could find a decent gaming group/store.

Definitely. Are there issues a plenty? Damn skippy. But it's a blast to play with my buddies.


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 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Honestly, not really.

But my issues stem from the fact that I play orks and that I can't find a decent gaming group, despite living in Denver. I have to drive 40 minutes one way to find a hobbytown that even has people show up regularly.

But I did get a game in at the GW store on Saturday, and I brought my bully boyz formation (meganobz) v. eldar. He had like 15 ish str 8 ap 2 guns, and after turn 2 I went from 15 meganobz to 1.

I'll admit that has a lot to do with playing orks, but still. It's hard to say you're having fun when 80% of your army is wiped out turn 2 with no saves.

And I could have list tailored, but that's not exactly fair either. I came in wanting to play meganobz and I just happened to play against lance spam.

Anyways. Balance issues aside, I feel as if the rules are decent, and could be great with some actual FAQ support from GW, and ITC helps a lot to fill in the gaps.

And even though I play orks, I think I would have more fun if I could find a decent gaming group/store.

How close are you to the Springs? We have a fairly large group that plays every Friday.

not terribly close, I'm afraid - at least an hour. Maybe I'm just picky, but there's 3 game stores within a 15 minute drive of my house, but no one plays at any of them that I know of.

You can PM me with the place and time and I might give it a shot, but it annoys me a bit having to drive an hour to get a game in when there's plenty of opportunities close to home.

I have fun. Play at the FLGS with an easy going bunch of guys, we all enjoy it.

I'm loving the game at the moment. As others have said, I think it has a lot to do with the group you play in. I have a great local club and really look forward to the gaming night each week.

I'd much rather a close fought game that resulted in a loss than wiping my opponent off the board in 2-3 turns.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know the internet is full of people complaining

So is everywhere else right now, from my experience. The complaints aren't just an internet phenomenon.

. Further most the internet rage cheese are things i've never actually seen in real life. Additionally i've found the few times that cheese is present, the issues can be resolved by talking to you opponent and working out a fair list for each side.

Cheese isn't the root of my current disatisfaction with the game... the overall state of the rules, combined with several mechanics that are just pants-on-head stupid, is.

As such, I'm still enjoying playing, but that's because I've stopped playing in tournaments entirely, have given up on getting games in at the local games club, and am just playing at home with a couple of people I know well, with rules modified where necessary to suit ourselves.

Having a great time, getting in a game of 2nd ed every week or two :-)

 insaniak wrote:

As such, I'm still enjoying playing, but that's because I've stopped playing in tournaments entirely, have given up on getting games in at the local games club, and am just playing at home with a couple of people I know well, with rules modified where necessary to suit ourselves.

The best way really, in my opinion that is. Avoid the douche nozzles, and play with folk you know you can have a laugh with while you're at it.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

The best way really, in my opinion that is. Avoid the douche nozzles, and play with folk you know you can have a laugh with while you're at it.

Prior to 6th edition, I had maybe 3 tournament games and a bare handful of club games that I didn't enjoy. In 20 years.

So no, not the best way at all, IMO. Yes, this way I play with people I know... but I get in about a quarter of the gaming that I used to, against the same two people over and over again.

Considering the rulebook is an incoherent pile of gak, and the codices were written by complete gakkers and the prices being too damn high; not really.

The only thing stopping me from moving game system is the fact nobody plays WHFB or AoS, or WH, or Infinity, or anything else.

as to the price point, ebay has been my best friend. While still expensive i've found all by the newest models for cheap.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The core rules are decent with a few tweaks

Are you kidding? You could write an entire book on the many aspects of terrible game design in the 40k rules. It's an unbelievably bad game that survives entirely by sheer inertia and awesome stories. The rules are just that thing you put up with so that you can play with your beloved models.

Most of the games I play are really fun.The last game I was playing started out as a total curb stomp, but my opponent was able to get back in the fight halfway through and make a big comeback before the game ended with me narrowly in the lead. I'm still getting cool stories out of games with models I love and people I like hanging out with. Even most of my tournament games have been enjoyable, except for when I occasionally get paired with a beatface list, but I still usually find some fun in it.

Is the game perfectly balanced? God no. Do the rules still facilitate some fun and close games? I'd say yes. I wish it was as good a balanced tournament game as it was a casual/beer and pretzels game, but since I play almost exclusively the latter I'm having a good time.

Eh, I play with friends and people I've known for 2+ years hard to NOT have fun with people you like.

A new guy came to the store recently and stole some stuff of mine... got an eye out for him now.

I don't trust new guys now.

 Quickjager wrote:
A new guy came to the store recently and stole some stuff of mine... got an eye out for him now.

I don't trust new guys now.

Wow that sucks, I think I had a blast template and a few dice get taken by accident (I assume ) and even that made me feel paranoid about people taking my stuff.

As to the OP. I really enjoy the game (when its not a stomp) but I just don't get enough time to play as of late due to work and madam Ethereal needing more help at home with Da Boy and the few months old Snotling. My wallet on the other hand really doesn't like 40k.

We have great fun, but the biggest factors are:

- a really great FLGS, truly great, very grateful to them

- a few key friends who happen to be very fair gamers

- WhatsApp existing to organise games more easily

The 7th ed rules and the cheesy combinations OP mentioned are actually minor factors.

The 7th ed rules are fine IMHO; not great, not bad, a bit bloated but it's fine.

The cheesy combinations have been used, then countered effectively by the more experienced players, so our FLGS crowd generally view those as "1-trick ponies". When someone brings the cheese and it backfires on them, they're very unlikely to try it again, so our area sort of self-balances.

I find I can't enjoy the game any more thanks to the rules (and to some extent the new fluff)

I was looking at getting back into the game and picked up some space wolves. Then GW dropped the last Space Wolves codex, with the sled, murderguy the murdering dreadnought murderer and whatever the hell that flying thing was.

I never even got paint on the wolves I was building, I just lost all interest.


I think a lot of my problems also come down to just seeing other companies doing things so much better with their products. 40k doesn't even seem to be able to decide if it wants to be a skirmish game or a mass battle game. Seriously including titans in a game were you draw LoS from model to model not unit to unit and have to remove the closest model and count who is and who isn't in melee combat speaks volumes about the designers in charge of it.

I'm getting in fewer games against a smaller array of opponents than I think I ever have before, There's less and less new blood and people are just losing the will to keep up with the insane power race and constant rules negotiations.

Yep. Wished I could play more, though. The community around here is slowly growing

I'm having a blast. There is a FLGS near work that I go to once a week that has a regular crowd of 6+ people, plus others that rotate in and out. Combine that with an even closer FLGS to home that I can schedual games with weekly gives me plenty of people to play with.

That said, I am still fairly new at the game (been participating since April), and everyone that I've played against so far has been great. None of TFG or anything like that. Also no tournaments.

I will say this though. The main draw for me, even more so than actually playing the game, is the list building. It's like crack. Spending hours tweaking a list in battlescribe, looking over various combinations to eke out that perfect list that does what you want it to do, then having it all come together during the next weekly match? Pure bliss. Sure I could hunt for a net list and use that, but that's no fun.

Then next week get stomped by a another player who is wise to your tricks and have to do it all over again!

I'm only playing with my son. We are also playing 4th edition. I'm having a blast watching what he can come up with.

No new people, who may have unfinished or bad armies to play against make 7th ed, not fun for an IG player. I don't think I had a single game this edition that I could have called fun.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm getting in fewer games against a smaller array of opponents than I think I ever have before, There's less and less new blood and people are just losing the will to keep up with the insane power race and constant rules negotiations.

This is my experience as well.

Yes, I am. I've been playing for about 8 months this time round, it's brilliant fun.

I'm pretty sick of the moany tossers online though. If you don't like the price of the models or the current state of the rules and your aren't enjoying it, piss off and find something else to do with your time. There are plenty of other hobbies out there to try.

It's a real buzz kill when you are new to a hobby, enthusiastic and want to talk about your excitement but all you read are negative comments about something you are really enjoying.

I had my best game ever yesterday - my first battle against Orks. Liftadroppas are hilarious and the powerlevel is equal to my CSMs. Neither of us are particularly competitive, but we do want to win, so it was a very even game, which I lost in the end.

Do I think GW could improve the overall level of the game? Yes. Do I think it's fun as is? Yes.

Yes I'm still having tons of fun. It's helped that I've softened my playing style but I still enjoy the strong competition in my area.

 pumpinchimp wrote:
Yes, I am. I've been playing for about 8 months this time round, it's brilliant fun.

I'm pretty sick of the moany tossers online though. If you don't like the price of the models or the current state of the rules and your aren't enjoying it, piss off and find something else to do with your time. There are plenty of other hobbies out there to try.

It's a real buzz kill when you are new to a hobby, enthusiastic and want to talk about your excitement but all you read are negative comments about something you are really enjoying.

Quoted for truth.

Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.