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 Selym wrote:
Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.

Why are you having a terrible time?

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Considering the rulebook is an incoherent pile of gak, and the codices were written by complete gakkers and the prices being too damn high; not really.

The only thing stopping me from moving game system is the fact nobody plays WHFB or AoS, or WH, or Infinity, or anything else.

This.

Also, it doesn't help that the armies I own are either OP to the point where no one has any fun (Necrons), or underpowered and boring (DE, IG).

I'm hoping my experiences might improve once Corsairs are released (or, as I like to think of them - Codex Dark Eldar: Good Version).

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.

Why are you having a terrible time?

Aside from the poor rules in the BRB and the fact an average game takes around 6 hours with my opponents, my AM are, without fail, tabled on or before T3.

I'm having fun. Playing orks, proxying orks as other stuff too. We've got a bunch of models that anyone can pick and play with - sm, tau, eldar, fb stuff. So, i'm trying new things every game and it's great. Balance is worse than mediocre all in all. For example, played as eldar last time and can tell you that eldar are easy mode. Especially after orks and ig.

Core rules can be easilly improved. It's just the state of GW rule team. If they simply gave up on rulewriting like they did with whfb, it'd be much better. We'd allready being using homebrew ones that are superior to GW rules (see 9-th age project). But as is, they're saying: "OK, our rules suck but you should still buy them cause they're official!". And that makes homeruling much harder as there actually IS an official book. No matter how bad it is.

So, i basically wish GW sigmarized 40k so that we could still get cool models and play with our own mishmash of 4-7 ed with improvements. And this way they could spend more money on stuff that actually brings people in the hobby: models and background, rather than forces people out of it: crappy rules.

 koooaei wrote:
I'm having fun. Playing orks, proxying orks as other stuff too. We've got a bunch of models that anyone can pick and play with - sm, tau, eldar, fb stuff. So, i'm trying new things every game and it's great. Balance is worse than mediocre all in all. For example, played as eldar last time and can tell you that eldar are easy mode. Especially after orks and ig.

Core rules can be easilly improved. It's just the state of GW rule team. If they simply gave up on rulewriting like they did with whfb, it'd be much better. We'd allready being using homebrew ones that are superior to GW rules (see 9-th age project). But as is, they're saying: "OK, our rules suck but you should still buy them cause they're official!". And that makes homeruling much harder as there actually IS an official book. No matter how bad it is.

So, i basically wish GW sigmarized 40k so that we could still get cool models and play with our own mishmash of 4-7 ed with improvements. And this way they could spend more money on stuff that actually brings people in the hobby: models and background, rather than forces people out of it: crappy rules.

That's what happened with Epic Armageddon. The game's core rules were fairly solid, and it still spawned a fan made pseudo-official ruleset.

Considering I've stopped playing, nope.

 Selym wrote:
Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.

Nice to see us Ultramarines are appreciated around here

I'm still having fun, but I've had more fun. 6th was more enjoyable. The power creep has really put my DE's balls in a juicer.

 War Kitten wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.

Nice to see us Ultramarines are appreciated around here

It's nothing personal, it's just really, really personal

 Selym wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.

Why are you having a terrible time?

Aside from the poor rules in the BRB and the fact an average game takes around 6 hours with my opponents, my AM are, without fail, tabled on or before T3.

Not to sound like "that guy" but have you considered that maybe the issue is the players or yourself. Some armies require more list building considerations than others and AM is certainly easy to beat if the list is sloppy, but against more experienced players I have much trouble winning against them, even with my eldar! The opponents skill also matters as poor opponents typically take too long to play and make many "mistakes" that always benefit their army.

The rules in the book are the most well written in decades, it just takes some effort to improve your game to the point that the brb doesn't feel like a handicap.

Take this with a grain of salt but our lfgs sees plenty of Orks, tyranids, grey knight, and dark eldar players winning against necron and eldar players who have consistantly placed high in competitive events. It's up to the players to have fun, not a book!

 DJ Illuminati wrote:

The rules in the book are the most well written in decades

By what possible measure?

 vipoid wrote:

 DJ Illuminati wrote:

The rules in the book are the most well written in decades

By what possible measure?

Insane Troll Logic.

 DJ Illuminati wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Apart from the fact that I'm lucky to see a game per month, no. As an AM player, I'm having a terrible time.

As a BT player, I'm still not having much.fun, aside from ruthlessly shanking Ultramarines at every opportunity.

Why are you having a terrible time?

Aside from the poor rules in the BRB and the fact an average game takes around 6 hours with my opponents, my AM are, without fail, tabled on or before T3.

Not to sound like "that guy" but have you considered that maybe the issue is the players or yourself. Some armies require more list building considerations than others and AM is certainly easy to beat if the list is sloppy, but against more experienced players I have much trouble winning against them, even with my eldar! The opponents skill also matters as poor opponents typically take too long to play and make many "mistakes" that always benefit their army.

The rules in the book are the most well written in decades, it just takes some effort to improve your game to the point that the brb doesn't feel like a handicap.

Take this with a grain of salt but our lfgs sees plenty of Orks, tyranids, grey knight, and dark eldar players winning against necron and eldar players who have consistantly placed high in competitive events. It's up to the players to have fun, not a book!

I have considered it, and after many games and army builds, and then moving to playing Black Templars, I have concluded that whatever the hell is going on, I'm unable to win.

As a BT player, I have much more success, even when I couldn't remember how half my units worked. And my vehicles are magically far more durable than in the AM, despite having less AV and armour saturation.

 insaniak wrote:

As such, I'm still enjoying playing, but that's because I've stopped playing in tournaments entirely, have given up on getting games in at the local games club, and am just playing at home with a couple of people I know well, with rules modified where necessary to suit ourselves.

I'm legitimately interested to hear what your house rules are.

This is my favorite edition so far and I'm enjoying the game.

I still have fun in all my games. Even playing DA before our new codex. I get less games in than I want, but that is just because my personal life is busy, not because of the game.

I guess it helps that all the gaming areas in any conceivable driving distance aren't filled with.... unfavorable players.

Also, I really enjoy maelstrom. I don't care what the Internet says, I have yet to have a game where my opponent and I didn't enjoy it.

Admittedly not played against the new factions as much, especially since I moved earlier in the year, but 6th and 7th ed are the most fun I've had for a long time. Didn't play much 40k at all 4th and 5th ed.

I remember having good fun with the 3rd ed rule book scenarios, lone scouts manage to win sabotage missions, etc.

I'm having the most fun in 40K I've ever had. Could be that I've been playing with a fun group of guys and gals, and also could be that I don't play in tournaments.

Never seen most of the stuff people complain about on Dakka in real life. I'm sure it happens, just not to the hyperbole and frequency some people would have you believe.

I play multiple games a week and have a blast. People keep complaining about the rules, but I can find VERY few that I actually have a problem with. Reading all the comments about wound allocation just makes me laugh. Some people are mad that they can't cheese the wounds anymore by killing off any model they want. I think most are just older players who have a hard time adapting to change.

Salous wrote:
I play multiple games a week and have a blast. People keep complaining about the rules, but I can find VERY few that I actually have a problem with. Reading all the comments about wound allocation just makes me laugh. Some people are mad that they can't cheese the wounds anymore by killing off any model they want. I think most are just older players who have a hard time adapting to change.

Or who played 5th and knew it was mostly a good ruleset. GW doesn't give a feth anymore.

I’m enjoying the do what you want edition but it requires a large enough group of like minded players. We also don’t stick to one way of playing and split time between tournament, apoc, ZM,

Salous wrote:
I think most are just older players who have a hard time adapting to change.

Just like the people who like the current rules are moronic GW fanboys who can't would think a bucket of manure was a solid ruleset if it had the GW logo on it.

Insulting strawman arguments just add sooo much to these discussions, don't they?

I have been having an awesome time playing:
X-wing
SW-Armada
Battletech
BT-Alphastrike
Robotech RPG Tactics
Warpath by Mantic using GW 40k miniatures.

Oh, you mean playing 40k with GW rules... ummm... great with friends with much house rules... ummm
<sigh> the rules are gak. I tried to like them, honest!
Is it OK if I keep assembling and painting what I have until something "ok" at least happens for an 8th edition?

I really enjoy the game but I don't enjoy the people around me that play. The only opponents I have immediate access to are 2 of my brothers one of which is only 10 and gets into a game only scream, cry, and rage because he doesn't agree with a rule. And the other who is 18 and complains when I use certain armies because their rules are so complex. Personally I think that if you don't like the rules you shouldn't play the game, and I like the complexities because it means the armies are only that much more unique. But it's a choice of playing one of those two or not playing at all.

 pumpinchimp wrote:
Yes, I am. I've been playing for about 8 months this time round, it's brilliant fun.

I'm pretty sick of the moany tossers online though. If you don't like the price of the models or the current state of the rules and your aren't enjoying it, piss off and find something else to do with your time. There are plenty of other hobbies out there to try.

It's a real buzz kill when you are new to a hobby, enthusiastic and want to talk about your excitement but all you read are negative comments about something you are really enjoying.

They do have a new hobby; aggravating you. It's brilliant fun.

What's it people don't like about the rules ?

I recently made the choice once again to NOT pick up 40k again (I play Warmachine right now and have for about a year, after debating playing 40k again after close to 15 years out of miniature gaming) in part because I don't have a close-knit group, I would be going to a game shop and basically hoping that someone showed up to play. Even with the local Hobbytown having a 40k community (and not much else there), it's not enough to make up for the approach 40k takes to the game. If I had a group of friends that we could tweak the rules, come up with scenarios and narratives and campaigns, it might be a different story, but as it stands I can't even imagine how 40k holds up as a game you go to the game store to play.

It's not a big deal for most people I think. I play random pickup games and we just use the rules.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
What's it people don't like about the rules ?

Take a quick tour around YMDC for several hundred examples.

Some points:

-unbalanced forces
-poorly written rules
-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much rules bloat
-these cause games to take forever
-for some reason, the current army-building rules have encouraged the average size of a game to go up
-this is compounded by everything getting points reductions
-unless you play an elite army, you need 2+ full-size carry cases of stuff to play a game

It depends. If I am playing Mordhiem or Bolt Action I have a reat time but with 40K I suffer as my Guard are outclassed on every level against my opponents armies.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
What's it people don't like about the rules ?

That you have to roll 20 saves one by one in a lot of cases.