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No, this is not news and or rumours, it is just speculation. What do you think will be in the next CSM dex?

My bet:

-A formation with random unit selection

Legion/Warband formations. I doubt we'd get Legion tactics.

Dare I say it CHAPTER TACTICS

Random chapter tactics

i think the codex will get shafted so hard. Even Matt ward couldn't fix it. I dont know why but GW are just jerks like that

Troop CSM and Thousand Sons will still be gak.

Random tables to determine which random tables you need to roll on.

A new release will have silly good rules, then 8th will come out once GW has sold enough units and hit this particular unit with a double-whammy.

There will also be new sculpts that generally look like a 3 year old made them out of play-dough, oh, those zany CSM!

What I'm certainly NOT expecting is a DV-style revamp of the line, Legion rules, POTMS equivalent, DS mitigation, drop-pods, or units capable of infiltration.

-New melee unit
-It's another version of Raptors
-Actual Raptors still not useful

I would like to see Legion Tactics. Also, there is no reason that the different CSM Marines should not have ATSKNF. Seriously, does residing in the Eye of Terror suddenly make you a whimp?

But what I am expecting for the content of the next CSM codex is a healthy dose of Disappointment.

Some box set updated formation, but codex will not change. They will also release NUG/Tz/Slan kin dexes.
But CSM will still have LD8-9 and not fearless.

Oh wait I remembered another thing they will do to the codex up the price of it to $500 and then be like insert some cool artwork a korne temp tattoo and some units that sound sweet as hell on paper... on paper...

I dont really care about the codex i just want to see them bring the damn models into line they are so old and a little cliche. the 80's called they want their models back

-Baleflamer no longer has torrent
-New flyer that costs 250 points, and is essentially a Vendetta in all but name
-DP gain a specual rule, where they must re-roll successful saves, because warp armour is unstable

- Sorcerers and DPs are now have a maximum psychic level of 2
- All models lose 1 Ld
- All models become 10% more points expensive
- All models become 500% more $$$ expensive
- All daemon weapons are removed
- While in a challenge all characters have -1 WS and -3 Ld because Chaos is crazy yo.
- Chaos only has access to 1 Discipline: Maelfic (Sanctic).
- Spell familiars no longer exist
- If a Psyker is marked then they can only know 1 power, which is their god power.
- God powers:
-- Slaanesh: Witchfire Range 6" S 1 AP - Heavy 1, Warp Charge 3. The model using it is blinded
-- Tzeentch: Witchfire Range 6" S 1 AP - Heavy 1, Warp Charge 3. The model using it is soul blazed
-- Nurgle: Witchfire Range Template" S 1 AP3- Assault 1, Poisoned (4+) Warp Charge 1. The model using it gains Feel No Pain (4+)
- Mark of Tzeentch gives the model a -++ and -1 T
- Slaanesh gives -1 Ld
- Khorne gives -4 WS
- Nurgle gives Feel No Pain (4+), invalidating a part of their psychic power.
- All cult troops are removed, except Bezerkers.
- Bezerkes are now 30pt WS1 Chaos Marines with no special rules, besides one that states they have to charge their opponents.
- All models must pass a Ld test at the start of the game or be removed as a casualty because they flee from a fight. If they are fighting Space Marines models test a Ld 3. If against Ultramarines they auto-fail and die.
- All models must pass a Toughness test or be removed as a casualty as they are turned into a blob because Chaos!
- All special weapons are removed except for the flamer, but no one can actually buy one. It's just there.
- All heavy weapons are replaced with the Chaos Heavy Bolter, a S3 AP - Heavy 1 Gets Hot weapon with a 6" range.
- The codex costs $100 USD, 3000000AUD or all you belongings and your soul if you live in New Zealand

"Totes balanced" - GW Rep

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
- Sorcerers and DPs are now have a maximum psychic level of 2
- All models lose 1 Ld
- All models become 10% more points expensive
- All models become 500% more $$$ expensive
- All daemon weapons are removed
- While in a challenge all characters have -1 WS and -3 Ld because Chaos is crazy yo.
- Chaos only has access to 1 Discipline: Maelfic (Sanctic).
- Spell familiars no longer exist
- If a Psyker is marked then they can only know 1 power, which is their god power.
- God powers:
-- Slaanesh: Witchfire Range 6" S 1 AP - Heavy 1, Warp Charge 3. The model using it is blinded
-- Tzeentch: Witchfire Range 6" S 1 AP - Heavy 1, Warp Charge 3. The model using it is soul blazed
-- Nurgle: Witchfire Range Template" S 1 AP3- Assault 1, Poisoned (4+) Warp Charge 1. The model using it gains Feel No Pain (4+)
- Mark of Tzeentch gives the model a -++ and -1 T
- Slaanesh gives -1 Ld
- Khorne gives -4 WS
- Nurgle gives Feel No Pain (4+), invalidating a part of their psychic power.
- All cult troops are removed, except Bezerkers.
- Bezerkes are now 30pt WS1 Chaos Marines with no special rules, besides one that states they have to charge their opponents.
- All models must pass a Ld test at the start of the game or be removed as a casualty because they flee from a fight. If they are fighting Space Marines models test a Ld 3. If against Ultramarines they auto-fail and die.
- All models must pass a Toughness test or be removed as a casualty as they are turned into a blob because Chaos!
- All special weapons are removed except for the flamer, but no one can actually buy one. It's just there.
- All heavy weapons are replaced with the Chaos Heavy Bolter, a S3 AP - Heavy 1 Gets Hot weapon with a 6" range.
- The codex costs $100 USD, 3000000AUD or all you belongings and your soul if you live in New Zealand

OMG how did you get this info? Somebody at GW is soooo getting sacked for violating their NDA!

GOOD NEWS: The CSM troops box will be redone.
BETTER NEWS: The can only carry boltguns, and you must buy the current Havoc box for weapon upgrades!
YAAAAAAAAY

Champions of Chaos rule recibes aditional tweaks: models with this rule are still forced to issue and accept all challenges, but now in said challenges they won't be able to attack their opponents, staring evily at them instead.

Any Double result while rolling during the psychic phase will result in perils of the warp. With double 6 all your models have to pass a Toughness test or die automatically, because Chaos.

All Chaos Space Marines will now have the And They Will Always Know Fear special rule. All models with this rule have to pass a leadership test at the beginning of every turn. If they fail, they're removed as permanent casualties because they flee the battlefield. As suggested earlier if they're facing Ultramarines, they fail the test automatically.

All transports will have a random chance of eating their embarked troops at the start of every turn (Dreadclaw-like).

The Helbrute now costs 200 pts. and must roll a dice at the start of every turn. With 1 it automatically explodes, with 2 it automatically loses one of its arms (determined randomly), with 3-5 it will shoot at the nearest friendly unit, with 6 it can proceed as normal without incidence.

Posessed become Stupid, they must pass a leadership test at the beginning of each turn or do nothing until next turn.

Roll a dice for each Chosen model at the beginning of each turn. On a result of 1, the gods choose him for fun and evil, the model dies and explodes, causes apocalyptic blast with S6 AP3, which only affects friendly units of course.

Abaddon has efectively no arms, he can only do a single headbutt per fight phase, it's an I1 S4 AP- attack. He costs 400 pts now.

Daemon Princes must roll a dice at the beginning of each sub-phase of the turn. On a result of 1 they inmediately become a Spawn, losing all of their gear.

Vindicators go back to being Iron Warriors-only like in 3.5 codex, but since there are no Legion rules now, you can't use them in any case.

Each Raptor and Chaos Biker must roll a dice every time they attempt to move. With a result of 1, they will explode and die automatically. Everybody knows Chaos cannot properly maintain complicated gear. For the same reason Chaos Terminator Armor only provides a 4+ armor save, unit still costs the same.

On a more optimistic note - in other words, setting myself up for disappointment - I'd like to see chosen having access to steeds.

 King Pariah wrote:
On a more optimistic note - in other words, setting myself up for disappointment - I'd like to see chosen having access to steeds.

Every Chosen riding a daemonic steed must roll a dice at the beginning of every turn. On a result of 1, the steed eats the Chosen, then explodes.

Either it will be more random for random sake, such as above, or GW will turn it up to 13.765.

First scenerio: none of the real problems/wants get addressed. More of the same gets rehashed. Chaos get a few kit updates. One mega huge kit, that would be good except it has some random chaos table to roll on every turn.

Second (and probably just as likely) scenerio: power creep is done, and now it is power sprint. GW adds a bunch of new models and kits to the line with a busted codex to drive sales. Formations and detachments everywhere. A new weapon for the purpose of forcing chaos players to buy the new box. New said weapon is in line with grav +1. The codex gets so out of hand eldar scat spam players refuse to play it because they want a game they can win. All chaos players get refused games and accused of being WAAC band wagon donkey caves for playing chaos. Their new home on the opposite end of the power spectrum bring no comfort, as now their codex is all but unplayable for different reasons.

 pwntallica wrote:
Either it will be more random for random sake, such as above, or GW will turn it up to 13.765.

First scenerio: none of the real problems/wants get addressed. More of the same gets rehashed. Chaos get a few kit updates. One mega huge kit, that would be good except it has some random chaos table to roll on every turn.

Second (and probably just as likely) scenerio: power creep is done, and now it is power sprint. GW adds a bunch of new models and kits to the line with a busted codex to drive sales. Formations and detachments everywhere. A new weapon for the purpose of forcing chaos players to buy the new box. New said weapon is in line with grav +1. The codex gets so out of hand eldar scat spam players refuse to play it because they want a game they can win. All chaos players get refused games and accused of being WAAC band wagon donkey caves for playing chaos. Their new home on the opposite end of the power spectrum bring no comfort, as now their codex is all but unplayable for different reasons.

Well, the latter happened to Daemon players - especially us Tzeentch players!

After all the humiliations and eating poo sandwiches for almost 2 years, we got a book that Loyalist players dismissed as useless gak, then suddenly had everyone and their mother screaming at the top of their lungs that we'd broken 40k...

I don't understand why, but it seems like there's some unwritten rule amongst Loyalists players especially that Chaos isn't allowed to ever have toys...

Every model gains this rule:

Chaotic Resonance
Whenever this model moves, it must either charge or shoot, not both. If it charges and then shoots, it must snap-fire. Since all shots from this unit will snapfire, blast weapons are a free upgrade. This model cannot assault any unit from Codex: Grey Paladins.
Whenever this model is shot at, all unsaved hullpoint losses are transferred to.the next unit.

Obliterators spin up random weapons each turn. Each model's weapon in a unit will be determined individually.

The Boon table now applies to all models that kill an enemy character, including tanks.

To roll on the boon table, you must roll 3D6. The first number is the hundreds, the second is the tens, the third is the 1's. This is so that the Boon table can have result: 666.

Some example boons include:

-+1 attack to the model outside of assault
-Snapfire is now at BS2, but the wielder drops their BS to 0.
-If you gain First Blood in a turn after receiving this boon, you gain +1 wound for a single phase. After this phase, you lose 1 wound.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would like to see Legion Tactics. Also, there is no reason that the different CSM Marines should not have ATSKNF. Seriously, does residing in the Eye of Terror suddenly make you a whimp?

But what I am expecting for the content of the next CSM codex is a healthy dose of Disappointment.

CSM should have fearless all around

Yes. Fearless. Do it, GW. Do it for the chicks!

Allow me to strike an opposing tone to the rest of this thread: CSM have nowhere to go but up.

GW learns from their experience with Khorne Daemonkin and gives CSM a viable means of getting into assault. Useless random tables are removed or made optional. Legion/Warband Tactics are added for free to every unit. Marks and Icons are reformed and improved. A wide variety of detachments, including many formations, are made available to CSM. The entire model line is redone and repackaged. Unfortunately, this has two immediate effects: all CSM players are broke, and CSM are now regarded as being as OP as Eldar (when their new book actually on the level of the current Chaos Daemons book).

Then Chaos Daemons get updated, and all hell breaks loose.

All havoc launchers have a different way of firing compared to normal ranged weapons. Roll a scatter die and the missile will be fired at the closest unit the die points to, friendly or enemy. If a hit is rolled the missile instead explodes in the tube and detonates the remaining ammo, the vehicle automatically takes an explodes result with the strength of the blast instead changed to SD inside and S10 outside. The range of the blast is extended by 3".

It will be part of the rumored supplementary codex cycle. Where we keep the old horrible book and just get the new units and some formations.

The design paradigm will then switch back to Eldar/Necrons/Marines style power codexes.