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I am using models I already have. Any suggestions?



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Group 1 10
0 0
ALGUACIL Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GRENZER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
SPEKTR Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 36)
MOBILE BRIGADA MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (1.5 | 55)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)


6 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 5

I changed the list dropping the gecko and added a smart missile and some upgrades.

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Group 1 10 / 0 / 0
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
VERTIGO ZOND Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (32)
ALGUACIL Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (18)
INTRUDER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 43)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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Almost all of Your Models are also playable in the Corregidor Sectorial, thus i'd suggest you to try to deploy your Models as Corregidor. Tough you'll lose the spectr, you get the chance to build an Alguacil fireteam which gives you some advantages too.

Change the Intruder Hacker and make the Spektr a hacker. A hidden deployment TO camo hacker has always been a good performer for me.

Depends on his intentions what to do with the Hacker. With the Assault Hacking Device there'll be no chance to support the Vertigo (Marksmanship 2 on that REM is really nasty for the most Fireteams, Snipers and the Total Reaction Remotes). In Addition, the Spektr FO is one of the few that can survive a failed FO-Attack more than once.

 Tristan228 wrote:
Depends on his intentions what to do with the Hacker. With the Assault Hacking Device there'll be no chance to support the Vertigo (Marksmanship 2 on that REM is really nasty for the most Fireteams, Snipers and the Total Reaction Remotes). In Addition, the Spektr FO is one of the few that can survive a failed FO-Attack more than once.

And normally I'd agree but the thing is that the list will get order starved extremely fast if you're going to do that.
Due to hidden deployment, he'll start with 9 orders, then you need to approach your target, down to 8 orders, then you need to FO which brings you down to 7 (if successful) but you also want supportware which is another entire order (which also reveals your very, very expensive Intruder, losing surprise attack and exposing him), which brings you down to 6 orders, THEN (after burning through 50% of your entire order pool) you can spend an entire order to attempt shooting what ever target you brought to the targeted state, which will bring you down to 4-3 orders depending on your success (1-2 if you went first and your opponent spend a command token to remove 2 orders), then you'd have nearly nothing left for very order hungry units, like the Iguana, which you really need to move around with in order to make it earn its keep.

Neither has the Spektr to deploy hidden nor do you have to do all of this in one turn. Actually I seldom use the SML's guided trait, I fail almost every Spotlight hacking roll
Your scenario shows that the Spectr Hacker would propably suck whith his task! He has to get into the ZOC of his designated hacking prey and then he has only one WIP -3 to succeed instead of two rolls with his normal WIP.
The Intruder Hacker is somehow overpriced though, for that price you'll almost get Zoe and Pi-Well instead! But the OP wants to use already owned Models (he might have more now after christmas ). Propably an Alguacile Hacker could do that Remote pimpin'.


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Group 1 10 0 0
ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (32)
VERTIGO ZOND Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
ZOE (Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Stop!) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (28)
PI-WELL Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (19)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

That would be my version assuming the OP owns the Nomad Support Pack

 Tristan228 wrote:
Neither has the Spektr to deploy hidden nor do you have to do all of this in one turn. Actually I seldom use the SML's guided trait, I fail almost every Spotlight hacking roll
Your scenario shows that the Spectr Hacker would propably suck whith his task! He has to get into the ZOC of his designated hacking prey and then he has only one WIP -3 to succeed instead of two rolls with his normal WIP.
The Intruder Hacker is somehow overpriced though, for that price you'll almost get Zoe and Pi-Well instead! But the OP wants to use already owned Models (he might have more now after christmas ). Propably an Alguacile Hacker could do that Remote pimpin'.

That's because you didn't read my post properly and ignored several points in my post.
My above scenario was using the OP list, with the Spektr as FO. Furthermore, due to the nature of this game, I find it highly suspicious that one would have difficulties reaching ZoC with an infiltrating hidden deployment unit and no one should be using spotlight in this game, as it's a terrible program and should only ever be used in order to complete secret objectives.
The Intruder is a terrible hacker choice if his function is only to support and neither does it change the fact that the Iguana and Mobile Brigada are both very order hungry units that really can't afford REM units in their combat group to suck their orders from them.

Ditch the Intruder, make him an alguacil hacker, make the Spektr a hacker and proxy your REM as a reaction bot and you'll have a solid list.

Zewrath wrote:Change the Intruder Hacker and make the Spektr a hacker. A hidden deployment TO camo hacker has always been a good performer for me.

I knew you were talking about the Spectr FO list but I was also referring to your here quoted post and gave an outlook how that scenario could end with Hacker instead of a FO.
The rest of your post was ignored by me because it has just no significance regarding the performance of said Spectr and in your latest Post you basically backed my opinion that the Hacker doesn't perform as well as the FO targetting an enemy model!

To which list are you referring in your last paragraph? My suggestion or the OP's list?

 Tristan228 wrote:

Zewrath wrote:Change the Intruder Hacker and make the Spektr a hacker. A hidden deployment TO camo hacker has always been a good performer for me.

I knew you were talking about the Spectr FO list but I was also referring to your here quoted post and gave an outlook how that scenario could end with Hacker instead of a FO.
The rest of your post was ignored by me because it has just no significance regarding the performance of said Spectr and in your latest Post you basically backed my opinion that the Hacker doesn't perform as well as the FO targetting an enemy model!

To which list are you referring in your last paragraph? My suggestion or the OP's list?

In which case, there would be 2 Alguacils with forward observer and an Intruder hacking inside his ZoC or the Repeater area around the Iguana.
I think you misunderstood my suggestion about making the Spektr a hacker, he should (like any other Assault hacker) be used to make TAGs and 50+ pts HI unusable by isolating them via hacking or even attempt to pos a TAG, if he would be made a hacker he shouldn't be used as a targeter.
My point is, that normal (at least in my area and my own Nomads/CJC) list usually sport around 14-17 orders at 300 points and instead of making him a list that requires him to purchase additional models, I'd advice him to go with a compact list that uses very order efficient units and a few heavy hitters for the order hugging to maximize the effect, as you'll rarely have the luxury to run with full capacity orders, since you'll either be stripped of 2 orders in the beginning or have minor casualties each round. Therefore, you really won't be able to afford the luxury spending entire orders and further orders with your REM if you also have units like the Iguana, that needs a lot of positioning and gunfighting (those can easily swallow 3-4 orders and the Spektr (in any loadout) is also prone to heavy order usuage, whether you use him for hacking, surprise attacks or laying mines.
This is why a reaction bot is so much better for this list as it's a very cost effective unit, which won't take many orders while still being able to have a huge presence on the board and very efficient with supportware.

Ultimately though, when you take a list with order intinsive units like the Iguana, Mobile Brigada and the Spektr and only have 10 orders available, you may think that you're bringing other expensive and powerful units for maximum flexibility but in reality, you'll end up with a list that features a few key units and very expensive cheerleaders.


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Group 1 10 0 0
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
ALGUACIL Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (32)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (1.5 | 55)
GRENZER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (18)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)

Group 2 1 0 0
REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

That's my suggestion, based on what you have.
Make your Snipers bring the pain, have your Engineer prone behind the Reaktion Zond so he's out of LOS and park his Zondbot near the Gecko so he can repair it with that. Use your 1 order to position the Reaktion Zond and if you deem it necessary, you can always go and change the combat group on your Reaktion Zond, using command tokens.

Yep, you're right if you take the Spectr as a anti HI/TAG Unit he's definitely the best Hacker option.

I usually play with about 16 regular orders in my Bakunin lists at 300 points too and since N3 I only deployed my Lizard TAG once it's too ineffective regarding my playstyle.
But why did you kick the Daktari out the list? A Doctor is essential in a list with so few orders! with a paramedic you'll rather kill your unconsious troops instead of healing them
And with this much Alguciles the normal one should be Lt. thus the Mobile Brigada will be more manoeuvrable.

 Tristan228 wrote:
Yep, you're right if you take the Spectr as a anti HI/TAG Unit he's definitely the best Hacker option.

I usually play with about 16 regular orders in my Bakunin lists at 300 points too and since N3 I only deployed my Lizard TAG once it's too ineffective regarding my playstyle.
But why did you kick the Daktari out the list? A Doctor is essential in a list with so few orders! with a paramedic you'll rather kill your unconsious troops instead of healing them
And with this much Alguciles the normal one should be Lt. thus the Mobile Brigada will be more manoeuvrable.

Reaktion Zond maintenance as well as having the Gecko Operational, most of the other units are either capable of fending for themselves or cheerleaders. With PH13 the MB isn't that prone to dying from medikits but then again, I'm not used to lists that are below 14 orders.


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Besides, the Alguacil Lt. will set you back 1 SWC, which is a terrible trade for either the Intruder/Grenzer/Gecko

Damn, I totally forgot that SWC!
And the MB might have a 50% chance to survive that Medikit but it's getting pretty awful if you try to heal the Clockmaker or the other Alguaciles, they might be order monkeys but if can't heal them you'll lose orders or worse lose the ability to repair your valuable assets!

Even with a 14 + orders format I'd never leave the house with at least one Daktari + Zondbot or better Avicenna + Zondbot (I wish I could get a Nasmat for her!). Bakunians are relatively delicate though.




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Group 1 10 0 0
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (18)
DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (1.5 | 55)
GRENZER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (32)
TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)

Group 2 1 0 0
REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

Personally I like it to have all +3 rangebands covered and you have a pretty fast repeater or another option to use flash pulse