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The darkshroud has stealth and shroud he has a 4+ cover vs my Dark Reapers, I declare my shooting attack and he jinks. He jinks not to improve his cover save (since my Dark Reapers ignore his jink save) but to give himself a rerollable 4+, thanks to the ravenwing rule which give him a rerollable cover save when jinking.

Is this how Dark Reapers shooting at a jinking Darkshroud would work out? 4+ rerollable?

You have multiple instances of cover here. In the open, the darkshroud uses its stealth and shrouded for a 4+ cover, which it can not re-roll.

If the vehicle jinks, it gains a 4++ cover save, which is improved to a maximum of a 2+, which it CAN re-roll.

Your Dark Reapers ignore jink saves, but do not stop your opponent from jinking. So when targeting the darkshroud, your opponent may choose to use its 4++ cover, or jink for a 4++ re-rollable.

Note that if there is any other cover save being granted, like intervening models granting a 5++ cover, then the darkshroud uses a 2++, re-rollable if it jinks.

Do Dark Reaper Rangefinders ignore just jink? I thought they ignored all cover.

Well would you look at that..........

Interesting. I never noticed that the Ravenwing rule does indeed state; A model with this special rule can re-roll failed cover saves when it Jinks.

It doesn't reroll jink saves but instead reroll's any cover save as long as it jinks.

It would appear that as long as you jink even if you cannot use your jink save you get to reroll any cover save (even one from a fortification).

Mr ghoti wrote:

Do Dark Reaper Rangefinders ignore just jink? I thought they ignored all cover.

Reaper Rangefinder - Enemies cannot take Jink saves againt shots fired by a model equipped with a reaper rangefinder.

It does not ignore cover saves sadly.

What feels wrong to me is this model is being granted a reroll because of jinking and the Ravenwing special rule. Dark Reapers ignore saves granted by jinking. But we dont ignore the Ravenwings special rule do we? Or does the reroll count as a type of jink save and Dark Reapers do ignore the Ravenwing rule?


Its an annoying my rule vs your rule sorta thing.

I think of it Like this though... if the wording for the Ravenwing special rule was changed to "when jinking you have a 2+ cover save" we would naturally ignore the 2+ granted by the Ravenwing special rule because its a save granted through jinking no less. Does the inclusion of "reroll" really stop this from being a jink save?

So yes he can reroll his cover save however the Darkshroud doesn't have stealth so it is only a 5+ cover save.

 FlingitNow wrote:
So yes he can reroll his cover save however the Darkshroud doesn't have stealth so it is only a 5+ cover save.

It has stealth if in the formation, but only then, it's worth noting.

I admit I was surprised when I first read that rw junk could rr any cover save as long as it jinked, doesn't matter most of the time but meh