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Firehawks Chapter Tactics adds Hand Flamers for 5 pts to all marine ranged weapon list.

Question is, why and who would take a hand flamer? I would assume assaulty guys to keep +1 attack for 2 close combat weapons, but where is the best place for this? A CCS? Vets? Tacs?

I'd say Tac Sarges with dual flamer in a pod with 5 guys and another flamer, though for that i'd run BA and have also a HF.

Maybe if you drop an Assault squad with dual flamers you can get a couple more templates out of them.

not really useful at all, nobody has run horde armies since 5th edition, nids are all running hunter killer teams, and mc spam, imperial guardsmen are spamming vehicles, and orks sometimes spam hordes but its very rarely. the dark eldar and eldar can be situationally punished by flamers but they need to be brought in such bulk that it will rarely be a situation where it does more than annoy his army

I was originally going to suggest giving them to Assault Squad sergeants, but unfortunately the hand flamer is a Ranged Weapon choice (not available to them).

Tactical Squad sergeants can take two of them, so the best use case would probably be deep strike them in a drop pod for the +1 strength that Fire Hawks get, and then roast some infantry with the 3 overlapping templates. Most of the HQ units can also take two of them, for what that's worth.

Honestly, the Fire Hawks CTs are pretty crappy even in a casual game. Blood Angels do the Jump Packs + Hand Flamers thing a bit better.

Well that's only because FW didn't updated the Chapter Tactics yet.

Best place for hand flamers is on Seraphim, lol, but if you're going to put them on Marines the same tactic might work...

Two hand flamers (especially +1 strength hand flamers) are statistically more likely to kill something than a single flamer. With either twin-linked or shred (same thing on a template) from a psychic buff, you'll be shocked how quickly they chew through elite units - my seraphims' favourite target is Marine infantry squads, since with four shredding hand flamers backed up by six shred bolt pistols, they can reliably remove a 5-man squad in a single turn, and have a good go at a full 10-man unit, on the turn they come down from deep strike. You then have a very nice Wall of Death to throw against any counter-charges on the turn you can't assault yourself.

I'd only put them on Veteran Sergeants. Models specifically meant to lead some hum-drum squad to death or glory or a never ending combat that really does nothing for the game. As a Blood Angel player, I've only considered using one on my Sergeant in a Las/Plas Razorback with a Heavy Flamer guy. Troop tax that may as well be fun to play, even if it does nothing for me. Everything else in the list doesn't need Str 3... It needs more Str 5+.