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WASHINGTON (Media General) – Millions in tax dollars were agreed to be given to sports teams, but now those types of contracts will become illegal.

The Senate passed the National Defense Authorization Act on Tuesday, and buried in the legislation is a section that bans what Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) calls “Paid Patriotism.”

“They obviously should not be doing this,” said Sen. McCain.

McCain and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) came out last week with a report showing that the U.S. government signed contracts with different sports teams – agreeing to spend around $6.8 million in tax dollars to sports teams in exchange for the team honoring military members.

“What’s upsetting is that when you see activities like this that people assume that are paid for out of the goodness of their heart,” said Sen. Flake. “Then to find out the taxpayers pay for it – it cheapens that.”

The Senate passed a massive military spending bill Tuesday, which had a new section buried in the legislation that now makes it illegal for the pentagon to make these deals again for any sporting event.

“The Department of Defense was unusually and especially, in trying to without this information from us,” said McCain.

McCain complained the DOD fought to provide the contracts exists, and found several NFL owners claimed they didn’t even know their teams were accepting money for those events.

“What’s important to keep in mind is that the NFL teams, NBA teams, all these major league sports teams do a lot of good work for the military – a lot of good work,” said Flake. “That dwarfs anything in these contracts.”

The NFL has said they received from the DOD.

President Obama is expected to sign the military spending bill.

http://krqe.com/2015/11/12/paid-patriotism-soon-to-be-illegal/

I quite frankly find it a waste of our tax dollars, so good on Mchain

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If that is a direct quote of the article, their editor should be fired. There's a bunch of sentence fragments that don't actually have any meaning.

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This is the first year I put on one of my applications for work ( I have to fill one out for each contractor that I go to work for as a Union Ironworker ) and this past Veterans Day I was thanked by virtually everyone I worked with for my service.

The contractor actually held a special luncheon for all of the veterans and many of the ladies in the office brought food and desserts for us. This was done out of the kindness of their hearts and I thanked everyone that was involved.

If it was done for monetary gain, it would have certainly held less significance for me. As it stands, I believe that people should do things for our Vets because they want to, not because they are getting paid to.

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If it was done for monetary gain, it would have certainly held less significance for me. As it stands, I believe that people should do things for our Vets because they want to, not because they are getting paid to.


With the sole exception of our elected officials, since, well, they are getting paid, and a lot of them sure do seem to like *creating* more veterans... they just don't seem willing to actually, you know, provide for them.

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It's a drop in the bucket, but those drops add up quick. I say, good for McCain and Flake. Professional sports get enough of a tax break as it is.


 
   
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So they're getting rid of it? Sounds good to me.

   
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Just imagine the benefits if they had spent that money on veteran services instead.

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Just imagine the benefits if they had spent that money on veteran services instead.


Errm, while every little bit helps, with health care costs being like they are that is basically a drop in the bucket.

One major surgery with any sort of extended recovery time or therapy can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills to pay.

That said, glad this is going away.

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While this is hearsay, Apparently it was always against the rules in the NFL.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Errm, while every little bit helps, with health care costs being like they are that is basically a drop in the bucket.

One major surgery with any sort of extended recovery time or therapy can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills to pay.

That said, glad this is going away.

Given that $6.5 million was spent on paid patriotism, and that therapy for PTSD costs $100-$250 an hour then worst case 26,000 hours of support was unavailable to veterans.

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
Errm, while every little bit helps, with health care costs being like they are that is basically a drop in the bucket.

One major surgery with any sort of extended recovery time or therapy can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills to pay.

That said, glad this is going away.

Given that $6.5 million was spent on paid patriotism, and that therapy for PTSD costs $100-$250 an hour then worst case 26,000 hours of support was unavailable to veterans.


Watching some of the sports teams play may have made their PTSD worse instead!
   
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 Psienesis wrote:
If that is a direct quote of the article, their editor should be fired. There's a bunch of sentence fragments that don't actually have any meaning.


I mean, yeah, it's not great, but it's not the worst professionally written piece I've read.

on topic: Good for everyone. This is not something that should have been happening to begin with.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
Errm, while every little bit helps, with health care costs being like they are that is basically a drop in the bucket.

One major surgery with any sort of extended recovery time or therapy can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills to pay.

That said, glad this is going away.

Given that $6.5 million was spent on paid patriotism, and that therapy for PTSD costs $100-$250 an hour then worst case 26,000 hours of support was unavailable to veterans.


Well if it'd just PTSD therapy then yeah, but I was also thinking about surgeries, physical therapy, etc...

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Just imagine the benefits if they had spent that money on veteran services instead.



Umm... perhaps you may not realize, but the DoD and the VA are two separate pots of money.... the DoD doesn't fund the VA as a part of it's annual budget.

Though I do agree with the sentiment of what you're saying
   
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IIRC...that money came from the recruiting fund allotted to the Branches. We're drawing down so not really seeing the angle of the effort being worth it next couple years.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Well if it'd just PTSD therapy then yeah, but I was also thinking about surgeries, physical therapy, etc...

I only used the PTSD as an example because it was the one with an hourly figure that was most readily available.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Umm... perhaps you may not realize, but the DoD and the VA are two separate pots of money.... the DoD doesn't fund the VA as a part of it's annual budget.

Though I do agree with the sentiment of what you're saying

I did not know that, thank you. Would any unused (ha!) money allocated to the DoD be returned and reallocated?

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

I did not know that, thank you. Would any unused (ha!) money allocated to the DoD be returned and reallocated?



Lol, nope. Seriously, when I was in, when it got to be around July, August or so, people from the S-4 (battalion and above level supply) shop would start sending emails to company commanders asking them to get their "wishlists" up So, in September or so we may see some of these wishlisted items, such as large screen TVs for "training", tools/gear not normally available through the normal routes or otherwise unobtainable due to personnel allocation.

The problem is, as the Marines found out the hard way, when Government budget allocates funds to a department or group, and they don't use all of it, someone up there thinks, "ohh, well they clearly didn't need that money, so we'll give them less this next year"
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Just imagine the benefits if they had spent that money on veteran services instead.


Errm, while every little bit helps, with health care costs being like they are that is basically a drop in the bucket.

One major surgery with any sort of extended recovery time or therapy can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills to pay.

That said, glad this is going away.


The actual cost of the vast majority of medical services is a fraction of what is billed to insurance providers or private payees in the US. There is a huge, huge, huge markup on those services, because healthcare is a lucrative industry.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
when Government budget allocates funds to a department or group, and they don't use all of it, someone up there thinks, "ohh, well they clearly didn't need that money, so we'll give them less this next year"


This is a really important thing to learn and is true the world over. So many crazy decisions in health, education, everywhere are explained by this.
   
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 Compel wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
when Government budget allocates funds to a department or group, and they don't use all of it, someone up there thinks, "ohh, well they clearly didn't need that money, so we'll give them less this next year"

This is a really important thing to learn and is true the world over. So many crazy decisions in health, education, everywhere are explained by this.

Actually, it's called Baseline Budgeting. What you spend in a year determines how much you get next year. So, by not spending every cent you're allocated, you wind up getting less money when you may very well need more.


 
   
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 Psienesis wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Just imagine the benefits if they had spent that money on veteran services instead.


Errm, while every little bit helps, with health care costs being like they are that is basically a drop in the bucket.

One major surgery with any sort of extended recovery time or therapy can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills to pay.

That said, glad this is going away.


The actual cost of the vast majority of medical services is a fraction of what is billed to insurance providers or private payees in the US. There is a huge, huge, huge markup on those services, because healthcare is a lucrative industry.


I've always figured that to be the case.

My mom spent a month in the ICU and the bill was 700k just for the hospital stay. I really don't think ICU staff get paid enough to justify that.

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Specialized Personnel and Equipment in Intensive Care Unit. 700K sounds about right. Its BS because that's like a new ICU bed and setup

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