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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 02:00:04
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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As we all know, the Necrons don't deal in Warpcraft of any kind. So, how do they teleport heavily damaged Warriors back to the inside of a Tomb World?
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 02:16:28
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Extremely advanced technology.
The Necrons are the faction of the setting that fit Clarke's Law:
"Any technology, suitably advanced, will seem like magic to the uninitiated."
The Necrons basically replace everything psykers do with some super-science technological process.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 02:18:05
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Pretty much what Psienesis said, its the same kind of tech that allows astromancers like Orikan to go back in time without using the warp, some kind of tech mumbo jumbo that allows them bend the laws of reality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 07:30:57
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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It's probably because of Quantum.
As above - bits of perfectly 'normal' - i.e. non-warp - physics that we don't understand yet.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/11/23 07:32:08
Termagants expended for the Hive Mind: ~2835
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 08:10:56
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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A bit of applied Phlebotinum with a sauce of Handwavium and some Technobabble to spice it.
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Scientia potentia est.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 08:15:58
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Moscow, Russia
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Well in Ye Olde days this technology was powered by the reality-bending abilities of the C'tan and so could violate physics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 08:58:42
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Not so much anymore. The Necrontyr already had a galaxy-spanning empire when they first encountered the C'Tan. Even as a living being, Orikan the Diviner had mastered time-travel, Dolmen Gates were a thing, and near-instant travel between distant points was a matter of course for the Necrontyr.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 09:43:08
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Hyperspace.
No, seriously.
Tesseract Labyrinths were described as 'hyperstone mazes'.
The Deathmarks lay in wait in a 'hyperspace oubliette'.
Phase Shifters use an 'interdimensional' technology that doesn't interact with the warp.
Necrons apparently make use of the shadows in the fabric of reality these days. They might even fold space to achieve this.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 12:37:33
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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I have never been pleased with how the tyranids use" psychic powers" without the warp or how the necrons teleport without the warp, again.
I mean, GW made an universe with the warp as a main element, it "explains" a lot of things in this universe, but no, feth it, let's do some factions that destroy this lore...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 13:25:43
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Hallowed Canoness
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The Tyranid thing is the biggest problem, because the Hive Mind has always, until this, been a Warp Entity on par with the Emperor and the Chaos Gods. Now I don't even know what its supposed to be.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 14:38:34
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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There advancement is such that to any other race its magic.
Bar maybe dark age of technology, they might have a very very basic understanding
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 14:44:11
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Psienesis wrote:Not so much anymore. The Necrontyr already had a galaxy-spanning empire when they first encountered the C'Tan. Even as a living being, Orikan the Diviner had mastered time-travel, Dolmen Gates were a thing, and near-instant travel between distant points was a matter of course for the Necrontyr.
Dolmen Gates were only discovered with the aid of one of the C'tan according to the 5th Edition Codex if I recall correctly.
godardc wrote:I mean, GW made an universe with the warp as a main element, it "explains" a lot of things in this universe, but no, feth it, let's do some factions that destroy this lore...
I tend to agree with this. Mainly in regards to the Necrons. They get to essentially get to have psyker abilities without any of the drawbacks psychic stuff generally entails. Necron time travel and foreseeing the future really took the cake for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/23 17:54:20
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Hallowed Canoness
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Dolmen Gates were only discovered with the aid of one of the C'tan according to the 5th Edition Codex if I recall correctly.
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You don't, its not mentioned where they got that technology.
That said, it expressly says they used Torch Ships to found their first few colonies.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 00:15:53
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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godardc wrote:I have never been pleased with how the tyranids use" psychic powers" without the warp or how the necrons teleport without the warp, again.
I mean, GW made an universe with the warp as a main element, it "explains" a lot of things in this universe, but no, feth it, let's do some factions that destroy this lore...
Wait, what? I thought 'nids used Warp just like everyone else (outside of FTL)? I mean, the Hive Mind is in the Warp, after all.
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 00:45:12
Subject: Re:How does Necron teleportation work?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I always thought that the tyranids drew from the warp but because the collectiveness that is the hive mind is so strong it can resist the corruption of chaos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 01:11:10
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Furyou Miko wrote:The Tyranid thing is the biggest problem, because the Hive Mind has always, until this, been a Warp Entity on par with the Emperor and the Chaos Gods. Now I don't even know what its supposed to be.
It was never a Warp Entity that I was aware of. Just the gestalt Psychic consciousness of every Tyranid organism.
Just like how a human psyker has a reflection in the Warp, so do the Tyranids. Its just that because of their hive nature all the consciousnesses(which are individually small) coagulate together to form some sort of super psychic entity. This coagulation generates psychic waves which drowns out other psychic phenomena in the area.
imagine the warp is the surface of a pond. Every living being's soul is a small water bug generating ripples on the surface. These ripples also represent the use of psychic powers if the soul can generate large enough ripples. Then you have the hive mind, which is a giant mass of writhing flesh which churns the pond into massive waves. The ripples made by the small bugs are totally drowned out by the waves of the super organism.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 04:19:19
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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dusara217 wrote: godardc wrote:I have never been pleased with how the tyranids use" psychic powers" without the warp or how the necrons teleport without the warp, again.
I mean, GW made an universe with the warp as a main element, it "explains" a lot of things in this universe, but no, feth it, let's do some factions that destroy this lore...
Wait, what? I thought 'nids used Warp just like everyone else (outside of FTL)? I mean, the Hive Mind is in the Warp, after all.
The Shadow in the Warp is not the Hive Mind. It's just the psychic static created by having so many minds in a relatively small area (compared to, you know, outer space). What the Hive Mind actually is has never been explained.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 04:52:48
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Furyou Miko wrote:SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Dolmen Gates were only discovered with the aid of one of the C'tan according to the 5th Edition Codex if I recall correctly.
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You don't, its not mentioned where they got that technology.
That said, it expressly says they used Torch Ships to found their first few colonies.
No, SomeRandomEvilGuy is correct, the Burning One helped the necrons develop dolmen gates to breach the webway during the war in heaven. The necron's lack of webway access was one of the biggest reasons they lost the first part of the war in heaven before they met the C'tan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 04:56:40
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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They don't need the DGs to achieve FTL, they had the inertialess drive long before then. The I-Drive still allows them to cross the galaxy faster and far more safely than any other faction in the setting.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 05:06:15
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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dusara217 wrote: godardc wrote:I have never been pleased with how the tyranids use" psychic powers" without the warp or how the necrons teleport without the warp, again.
I mean, GW made an universe with the warp as a main element, it "explains" a lot of things in this universe, but no, feth it, let's do some factions that destroy this lore...
Wait, what? I thought 'nids used Warp just like everyone else (outside of FTL)? I mean, the Hive Mind is in the Warp, after all.
Nope.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Narvhal
They use a specialized bio-ship to create a gravity space compression tube for the hive fleet to travel towards a chosen planet at FTL speeds. This is significantly slower than warp travel, and it slows down the closer the fleet gets to a planet.
The gravity space compression does play some havoc with the planet being targeted, causing earthquakes and other seismic disturbances.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 10:26:18
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Dusara meant they use the warp for everything except FTL >>
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 19:53:11
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Huge Hierodule
United States
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It hasn't? Since when? I was under the assumption it was well-established that the Hive Mind was the gestalt consciousness of the Tyranid race. The Hive Mind is a big brain with each of the Tyranids making up its many brain cells. Isn't anything else just fan theory and speculation?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 21:37:09
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Darth Bob wrote:
It hasn't? Since when? I was under the assumption it was well-established that the Hive Mind was the gestalt consciousness of the Tyranid race. The Hive Mind is a big brain with each of the Tyranids making up its many brain cells. Isn't anything else just fan theory and speculation?
That is a belief, but in several points in various sources, individuals make psychic contact (either on purpose or accidentally) with what appears to be a singular sentience that directs whatever Fleet is involved in the story. It appears to have conscious thoughts, emotional range (cited examples have been hunger, curiosity, hatred and rage) and recognition of individuals amongst the prey (in one case an Eldar Farseer). Is it a Warp God? Is it a gestalt consciousness? Something else entirely? Information is contradictory.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/25 00:02:01
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Hallowed Canoness
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I haven't actually seen anything that contradicts the idea that the Hive Mind is a gestalt consciousness that exists on the edge of the warp.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/25 00:46:39
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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There's nothing really contradicting the idea, but there's nothing confirming it, either, as the relatively few mentions of it in the fluff can be taken either way, though "existing at the edge of the Warp" then raises all kinds of other questions.
What the Hive Mind is (or is not) is not clearly stated, is all I'm saying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/26 04:04:15
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I always viewed the Necrons as not bending reality, as much as they used other realities to do what they had to. It's like that Azimov book where two universes find a way to interact with one another and use the variance within their physical properties to create heat pumps that defied physics in each universe, but because they were a larger system than their individual universe it didn't actually defy physics type of thing
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/26 13:12:50
Subject: How does Necron teleportation work?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Teleportation is theoretically possible. If you were able to dissemble the molecular makeup of an object and fire it as FTL speeds to a target point, and reassemble it without damaging the object, you have teleportation. Being robots, the Necrons can probably do this a lot more safely than an organic creature would be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 04:11:47
Subject: Re:How does Necron teleportation work?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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They use Dolman gates for a lot of things, I dont remember where but I vaguely remember something about necrons basically altering the physics of the universe to use powers similar to psykers.
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