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As someone who put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they have true hybrids (hopefully even all 4 generations) and not just cultists - purestrains and nothing in between.

Haven't bought a mini in more than 2 years, but if this is good I may have to break the moratorium!

Is there a confirm that the hybrids are in there anywhere? Srry if already answered -

I think it's time this was deployed -



Can't believe someone has that WD and still hasn't posted the other pages...

Well, regardless someone needs a kick in the stones for either being an incompetent leaker or a total b****rd of a tease lol.

 Ratius wrote:
On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?

Brood brothers are awesome and part of the fluff, but a new design for them specifically is not entirely necessary, IG or just about any regular human models would be entirely appropriate as they are quite literally physically just regular humans, just stealer DNA carriers and hypnotized followers. 4th gen hybrids could technically need new models though, as they are still ever so slightly alien looking, though can easily pass for regular humans.

The models most in need of new plastic are the 1st - 3rd gen hybrids, and a Magus. These are the unique things that have no representation in plastic. Depending on how they spin things, a Patriarch could or could not be in the mix, but they would have to differentiate from a brood lord in a more obvious way than they currently do. I have a feeling that a broodlord = patriarch going forward though. If they did make a fatty patriarch though, I would be thrilled!

So yeah, it would be great to see them get an entirely unique range (or perhaps an upgrade sprue for 4th gen and brood brothers), but at the least, it has to be 1st - 3rd gen options and a magus to make me happy

+1 cult limo, though for my custom hybrids, I appropriated a Crassus transport as their 'Limo' ... a limo-limo would be dope though...

Things worked a little differently back in the day... this was before Stealers were Tyranids, so there was such a thing as a chaos brood. At least in the artwork. I don't remember any actual story with a khorne genestealer or hybrid.

timd wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

The models most in need of new plastic are the 1st - 3rd gen hybrids, and a Magus. These are the unique things that have no representation in plastic.

Nitpicky I know, but there were not-so-pretty plastic hybrids in the Space Hulk Genestealer expansion.

New ones are certainly needed!

T

lol fair point!

Brood Brothers = any regular human. Take whatever models you like that fit that description for them I would say. I would imagine high ranking magos from AM would not be very susceptible to Stealer brood telepathy, due to lack of... equipment... and replacing good chunks of their brains.

Multi-generational hybrids confirmed!



Note the head ridges and human ears on the one on the right, first gen I would guess.

Then the mid left one, bionic claw attachment, armor, 2nd gen I would guess.

One on the far left, human silhouette, looks like 2 arms, firearm, 3rd gen I would guess -

*** far left one may be another of what I would guess to be 2nd generation, as looking closer it retains a stealer claw on the gun-stock.


+Magus! Closeup -

ecurtz wrote:
And that certainly looks like a Magus in the background.

Absolutely right that is definitely a magus! Fixed the pic -

The hybrid armor looks very heavily influence by the classic, the torso part was this molded plastic/leather looking hunchback design, with a main design element being the huge, almost helmetless astronaut style collars. the arms and legs tended to be more conventionally armored/dressed. They did use some degree of bionics and a variety of rarer seen firearms. Everything looks very true to the original and a natural evolution so far, which makes me happy as hell because it looks like the design lines up very nicely with the customs I did a few years back. Should have no problems adding these in seamlessly if the models hold true!

Bit of a missed oppurtunity not to change the skin tone in the cover art... they should be going more towards human skin coloring per generation, seems odd to have an almost human dude still completely stealer colored. Fortunately, I get to choose what paints I use, but still, would have made for a cooler GW scheme

If you look for it, I think you could find that book fairly easily.

The book had rules for all kinds of stuff, including regular marines, hybrids etc, but if I am not crazy also rules for daemons and regular IG too besides a few others. It basically was a DIY type thing to use other models in SH.

I'm gonna go against the grain and hope that the box contents justify the price in a great way... fingers crossed.

Ahhh... faith rewarded!

Man, after putting an insane amount of effort into making my own version of these from scratch 6-7 years ago, it makes me so happy that they have kept the classic vibe and updated loyally to it. In fact, though my versions are obviously inferior, I don't think I will have any problem mixing the new ones in. I will say, I think I did a slightly better job differentiating the generations, I think the divide between 1-2 and 2-4 could have been slightly more pronounced. Still though, mind-numbingly good, this is such a win -









My one big disappointment though, is the Patriarch. The model unto itself is great, don't get me wrong, but I am disappointed for 2 reasons. First, seriously GW, this is the third go-round in 7 years for a broodlord in plastic, can you honestly, seriously not find another pose than 'perch on outcrop'? The second time you did this was silly, but a third time with almost the exact same pose is just lazy and stupid in terms of a missed oppurtunity to do something unique. 2nd, they used the broodlord design... I was hoping something that was slightly different beyond spikes and subtleties. I am old school so a fatty would have sat better with me. Again, the model itself is great, in context is where it flops a bit for me.



Overall, this is probably the best box I have ever seen from GW, everything is amazing, every last model looks thought out, cared for and finely crafted. If they charge 30 bucks for a single character these days, each model in this box is is good as any single infantry model they've put out to me, so even if it is 200 CAD, it is still a hell of a deal to me.

For the first time in a long time, way to go GW

Hey, boys, agree to disagree. You don't have to win, one thinks it's worth it, the other doesn't, end of story. Don't ruin the vibe for the rest of us trying to dig each other out of an entrenched position using the same arguments post after post.

I have no problem if Armyman doesn't think it's a deal. I think it's a deal personally, with a very high buy minimum. But he can think otherwise and we can both be right, because it's just our opinion, and shouldn't impact the enjoyment or lack thereof of the other. Same goes vice versa.

By the layout of the boards, they really should have just made them space-hulk compatible. Shame to miss the opportunity imho.

I am pretty sure that symbol was the Genestealer symbol far before it was the Tyranid one. I wouldn't automatically assume that GSC would be Nid only units just yet.

Just in from BOLS -

Patriarch Ghosar (unkown price).

WS 7
BS-?
S-5
T-5
W-3
I-7
A-4
Ld-10
Sv-4+

Wargear;

Patriarch’s Claws-???
Genestealer Familiar-???

Special rules.

Bulky
Fear
Fearless
Hit and Run
Independent Charakter
Infiltrate
Move Througt Cover
Psyker lv 2 (Telepathy)
Stealh

The Favoured Disciples: troops 17 meltabombs (12 models) .

WS.4
BS.3
S.4
T.3
W.1
I.4
A.2
LD.8
SV.5+

Wargear.;
Autopistol
Ccw
Rending claws. User S. 5ap. Melee,Rending
Assault granades.

Special Rules;
Fearless.

BaC? Sorry I've been forum free for a good while, what is that abbreviation?

Aaaaahhhhhh

Yeah, that and execution force I am not super familiar with. I know the models both boxes came with, especially Calth, but not the board games or how they work.

It's a touch off topic but still kinda by association, how have these GW boardgame style releases been as games unto themselves? How were the mechanics received? Would these games make good jumping on points for newbies?


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PS Alphy... you have sources of your own now do you mr.fancypants?? Someone has been holding out!!

But are any of the games good? (SH aside)

I am guessing none of these are really designed to 'take off', i.e, no matter how popular, they aren't games made with any intended expansions? I would assume the gameplay of Calth and EF are lackluster a bit then?

 Fugazi wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
It's a touch off topic but still kinda by association, how have these GW boardgame style releases been as games unto themselves? How were the mechanics received? Would these games make good jumping on points for newbies?

Space Hulk is awesome and is a great jumping on point for a new player. Give them the terminators, and you play the GSers with kid gloves. Once they get the hang of movement and action points, then you can play for real. The terminators are best for new players because they have more meaningful choices. Space Hulk, at its heart, is a puzzle game. It's great for new players especially because you don't need to get into the fluff. "Remember the movie Aliens? Yeah? Cool, this game is like that. Yeah, the scene where the colonial marines all die."

Never tried Execution Force.

Betrayal at Calth. I haven't played this too much yet. It's fun. I think it's easier to start with BaC than 40k.

I may have some small experience with SH (check the link in my sig)

I think this is meant to be the first encounter with a Coven. Ymgarl was an encounter with purestrains only/now glossed over as the slug-leech version, not true stealers? Not sure how the rogue trader version of a gene-stealer resolves with what we currently call ymgarl stealers (cthulhu headed ones)...

Yeah... I need to figure out whether to order from GW for 200 CDN+tax or if 165- 25% X 35% exchange + possible customes and shipping... probably best to just order from GW :(

FYI North American Pre-orders are up, also FYI, GWs site is being slammed so if you need to recover your password you are SOL lol...

That black and white scheme looks pretty boss!

For mine, I went with three separate palettes of slight variation on the classic stealer scheme. Nothing drastic, just pulling towards indigo a little on one end and aqua/green a little on the other. The key for me was making sure that there was a generational transition towards human skin tone, and also a transition in the carapace from dark blue to a bone'ish color with the mildest tint to blue in 3rd gens. This way each generation had it's own scheme, but it was in context of everything around it. It makes each gen stand out from one another which is something I liked a lot.

My notes for anyone interested -





Uniforms similarly, 3 schemes in a similar pallete, mix and match clothes and leathers over white ceramic armor -

Guys, why not just think of it that this box represents an isolated colony, specialized in a commodity. Not large. Hadley's hope type thing. That is why this cult is armed the way they are.

If this release proves popular enough, you can surely imagine that future, 40k dedicated releases would include PDF weaponry and more, representing larger cults on larger worlds. You can also imagine tiered Patriarchs... ones like the broodlord esque one we have here, fed by hundreds or thousands, and then larger, more powerful versions fed by millions of cultists.

There is so much room to grow the concept, and ways to approach the fluff as well that allow for the core concept and then splinter variants.

In any case, I guess the point I am making is that if viewed as a very specific cult, not a generalized one, then one can easily 'forgive' (if it even needs forgiving) the limitations of the options.

As to the mining laser issue... it's a laser, powerful enough to blast rock or metals in huge amounts. One would think power was already implied, and range was the only issue needing a jury rigged adjustment. I don't find it a massive stretch of the imagination to think they would figure out a way to rig the mining laser given how ubiquitous and understood laser tech is in the modern imperium. If that is your only gripe, should probably get over it imho.

Also, one would assume a mining colony would be quite well armed to protect from pirates and xenos as well. The amount and type of weapons makes sense for local militia.

 Carnikang wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Legitimate question: if this is a boardgame with 40K rules added on as an afterthought, why couldn't the uber mining lasers stay in the boardgame version of Deathwatch: Overkill and not bleed into the 40K rules?

Counter Question: Why is it a problem? So far, everything else in all the boardgames has been able to transition to 40k/30k, without much of a problem. Including rules for a new weapon (albeit one that functions similarly to another type) seems fine.

Answer: You have failed to establish why this is a problem beyond your single subjective opinion. It is no fictional stretch to modify a man portable, high powered short range laser into a longer range one (which is less effective than the true, dedicated laser cannon). As mentioned, the power supply and all aspects necessary to create a heavy weapon are logically already present but for that one thing. Then, again understanding lasers are common tech in 40k, it is also no stretch to imagine the knowledge necessary to fit a ranged focusing array on it is feasible.

So -
Being reasonable unto the rules of 40k fiction - is it possible to turn the mining laser into a cannon? Yes.
Being reasonable is this gun completely alien and broken in terms of rules of the game and other weapons? No, it fits the rules and range of available guns.
Being reasonable, if the above is true, then have you presented any legitimate reason this gun is a problem other than you are upset it was jury-rigged in fiction and didn't come off of a weapon manufactorum line? No, you haven't.

Honestly man you have been griping on this for a few pages. You just don't like it, no particular reason other than you don't. That is fine, you absolutely don't have to. But stop trying to force others to agree with you when you literally have no compelling argument other than the equivalent of 'I don't like blue on a car, so you can't either'.

Would love to move on now, hopefully the Mods will encourage exactly that, as the topic is stalemated.

 Tyran wrote:
I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

Possibly extruded from the Patriarchs back... he is kinda swordy lol...


As to the rules, it only makes sense that they are battle brothers with Tyranids, they ARE Tyranids.

When I was concocting my fluff for them, my theory was that a stealer cult would actually seek to spread off world, an inner cadre portion of it at least, when the Patriarch sensed the hive fleet approaching. This serves both to spread infection further and perpetuate the cycle, and also to serve the self-preservation of this uniquely independent Tyranid organism (the Patriarch). Then, when the Nids arrive to the world where the remainder of the cult is still fighting, the hivemind dominates them and takes them over, proxying the departed Patriarch. Thought that was a handy solution to make the cults unique and able to be divergent while still readily assimilated into a Nid force in the event they meet too.