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Like the title says you think Gw will ever pull the plug on the cad?

I started this edition so I feel right at home with formations but in truth I favor cads. Why? because it allows me to play the model I want with out buying ones I don't.Simple as that and I hope its here to stay.

It will be gone in 8th. Unbound/Formations moving forward. Points might not even make the cut.

I hope not.......but maybe

I agree with Eldarain. CAD won't be in the next edition.

GW is a model company. We will lose CAD and point costs in AoS... Age of Sicarius

I hope it doesn't go. I still use a CAD for most of my lists. But it probably will alongside points.

It probably will, but I'd like it to stay.

Not until they have smaller formations that allow you to get more variety into the 1500 point and below range. Right now CADs just seem better for that.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
GW is a model company. We will lose CAD and point costs in AoS... Age of Sicarius

And if that happens 8th edition will become just as irrelevant as AoS, and everyone will continue to play earlier editions.

I vote we go back to 5th. Or 3rd. or 2nd... or maybe they can just NOT get rid of the game as we know it, and we can keep evolving the rule set...

 Peregrine wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
GW is a model company. We will lose CAD and point costs in AoS... Age of Sicarius

And if that happens 8th edition will become just as irrelevant as AoS, and everyone will continue to play earlier editions.

I vote we just scrap the rules and aim for a total re-write of how 40k works, taking ideas and mechanics that worked in previous editions and adapting them to what 40k is now.

To strike a contrary note, I'll say why the CAD won't be going away anytime soon: it's the only detachment that everyone can use. No matter what major army you play, you can use a CAD. Furthermore, you could see a more limited option for balancing factions out in in casual settings by making people only take for a CAD.

This isn't to say that the CAD is perfect or should be the be-all end-all of detachments. But as long as people want a cheap way to get ObSec minimum troops and an HQ,with maybe another unit on the side, the CAD will still be used.

Considering that Chaos Daemons still don't have any formations or alternate detachments of any kind I'm going to say currently no.

I disagree -- I think CAD is here to stay. Why:

Games Workshop has never replaced all of the Codices at the same time (don't we wish?). That means that with 8e 40k, there will be plenty of older rules that will still be used, possibly for years before GW gives a refresh.

I don't just mean the stuff in a Codex, either. There are plenty of units that just don't have a home in a formation -- practically everything from Forge World (I'm sure GW enjoys selling Sicarans and resin Knights), but new models that crop up after a codex comes out, too. There are also all the 2014 Codex drops that don't have super-formations, the new Imperial Armor books that aren't formation-friendly, and some of the factions may never... cough... Sisters... cough.

It would just be *easier* for GW to have a CAD, or some version of it.

Also, I think a point-free 40k is a pipe dream. The game is a big moneymaker for GW, and it's not gonna mess with what works. The only way they'll ever consider that is if Age of Sigmar somehow magically turns into a two hundred million dollar business unit. Otherwise, the "build what you want, play what you build" philosophy of AoS will give way to the current 40k mantra of, "Change is good because you will buy more models!".

I can't see the CAD or points disappearing either.

AoS did it, and it hasn't worked out well for GW on the sales front.

Then add in all the codexes that would need updating before removal of CAD, then add in all the other codexes to wipe away the points costs. Unless GW purposely want to force us into the SM/Eldar/Necron/Tau singularity where 4 and only 4 armies exist in the galaxy.

GW make too much money from 40K for them to even consider such a thing, let alone the fact that the new CEO has (for now) his head screwed on straight.

You can probably kiss CAD goodbye and say hello to an AoS-styled game.

Yeah, if GW goes AoS for 40k, you might as well sell your armies while you can because the company will go under. The Cad is my preferred method of building an army since I use a lot of FW models, then depending on the army, I will add formations. So if FW wants to continue as a company, unless it wants to start adding formations and such to its rules(not sure if they did with the updated corsair rules) it will lobby GW hard to keep some form of Cad. Personally I am not a fan of the decuron type formations and all the freebies arms race crap they bring.

So much bitter saltiness on these forums.

I don't mind formations, but i do see issues with them. They add a new level of complexity that requires factional balancing. Do they really need one more thing to balance in addition to the actual units on the table?

I doubt it will. Formations are great and all, but they don't allow for the variety of builds that a CAD can.

AOS was an experiment to see if a rules reboot would lead to increased sales for fantasy models. While the official numbers are not out, there is strong anecdotal evidence that the opposite has happened. If after 6 months to year fantasy sales have not increased but instead gone down, GW will likely rethink any reboot they had planned for 40k, there only remaining valuable asset.

Nothing allows as much variety as Unbound. Most people might hate and reject it (Though it doesn't seem as broken after all the super formations were released) GW considers it a perfectly viable approach.

It's also important to remember that the seal of GW approval can sway people who are vehemently opposed to an idea. During 6th Dual CAD was seen as cheesemongering of the highest order. Now multiple detachments are the norm.

I actually find unbound to be fairly week from a gaming perspective. Even compared to a CAD, bring random models isn't worth giving up objective secured.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
GW is a model company. We will lose CAD and point costs in AoS... Age of Sicarius

I prefer Age of Calgar, myself.

I wonder when 8e will be?
I'm calling it Khornes edition

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I wonder when 8e will be?
I'm calling it Khornes edition

Its getting called Age of Sicarius because Cato Sicarius is your Spiritual liege

The combination of the 2 years or less lifespan of editions/codexes and the fact Jervis is at the helm puts it somewhere in the next 4-6 months.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
AOS was an experiment to see if a rules reboot would lead to increased sales for fantasy models. While the official numbers are not out, there is strong anecdotal evidence that the opposite has happened. If after 6 months to year fantasy sales have not increased but instead gone down, GW will likely rethink any reboot they had planned for 40k, there only remaining valuable asset.

This is GW... they don't backtrack, they just steam ahead. If a faction is overpowered it stays that way until the next codex and possibly even then. If Age of Sigmar 1st Edition fails miserably then they will release Age of Sigmar 2nd edition with some of the rules modifications people are pining for. Fantasy and 40k had their 1st editions too, unplayable gak with no semblance of fair play. The 2nd and 3rd editions are where things start to get more tolerable and then full on forward releasing edition after edition until we arrive at 8th.

Sigmar may fail at first but you can rest assured there will eventually be an Age of Sigmar 5th edition that everyone will be playing because it finally doesn't completely suck.

I don't doubt they won't back track with Fantasy, what I do doubt is them doing the same to 40k. If and when 8th edition happens I expect to to be largely the same as 7th with minor tweaks

With Jervis "everyone loves asymmetric gaming" Johnson at the helm the force organization chart is dead on arrival. Everyone is playing apoc now, 40k died a while ago.

I think unbound will become the default noted in the rulebook and used for the starter set (gets away from the need for legal forces in a starter, and makes having allied units in there a lot easier - say two forces and a third 'mercenary' unit that can go with either side).

CAD then becomes just another formation to put into the codexes, possibly with faction specific benefits or possibly not as a basic formation.

Could also see, if they do go a bit AoS on 40k that the basic formation and associated bonuses could be determined and varied by the scenario (sort of how the planet strike missions had a different FoC for attacker and defender)

We don't need the cad at all

There is unbound, where you can take whatever you want.

Cad is truly a relic. If groups would just open up to unbound, then the cad would be completely unnecessary. As it is, the cad confuses the gak out of new players.

If there were only codex detachments or unbound it would be easier.