Chaos Juggernaut Army using Thunderwolf Cav rules

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**MechaEmperor7000**

How willing are people to accept the Chaos Skullcrusher models as Thunderwolf cavalry? It's not really an issue with money (since the Skullcrushers are just as expensive as the T-wolves if I remember) but I always wanted a Khorne Juggernaut army with mounted space marines rather than bloodletters, and the Champions of Fenris TWC army seems to be the closest as I'll ever get. The Skullcrushers would, obviously, be converted with backpacks and appropriate weapons.

Thoughts? Also I'd like some suggestions on the "Iron Priests" that would need to be converted too, cuz I don't think Berserkers use a lot of techmarines.

**Makumba**

The Iron Priests could be Bloodsmiths, crazed weapon makers of Khorn and the normal wolfs could be mini demonic dogs.

**Korlandril**

Why not just take a Chaos Deamon Army? Unless there's a formation that allows just thunder Wolf cavalry which I think there is

In which case thunder wolves look better.

Could do a khorne marine with mutations coming out his back to look like a servo arm for the iron priests

**jasper76**

Id be happy to play against it. Those Skullcrusher models are awesome IMO.

**MechaEmperor7000**

The Champions of Fenris FOC lets you do a pure TWC army since you can mount Elite-Choice Iron Priests on Thunderwolves, and Elite Choices are the compulsory choices rather than Troops.

And I don't really like the Chaos Daemon models, since they're not Space Marines on TWC. And you can't field a pure-army of them (you gotta take at least bloodletters)

**Makumba**

Korlandril wrote:
Why not just take a Chaos Deamon Army? Unless there's a formation that allows just thunder Wolf cavalry which I think there is

In which case thunder wolves look better.

Could do a khorne marine with mutations coming out his back to look like a servo arm for the iron priests

I think the problem with that is that juggernoughts with their actual rules are realy bad, and TWC are realy good. And CoF can build a TWC only army.

**Korlandril**

Right I thought that would be the case, TWC is even cheaper than blood crushers, that's mad.

It might be a good idea to wait and see what updates CSM and Chaos Deamons get though, maybe they will do marine blood crushers in new books, and they can't be that far away since there aren't that many books left to update to 7th. I'm holding off on my CSM future project because of that

**Slayer le boucher**

Korlandril wrote:

It might be a good idea to wait and see what updates CSM and Chaos Deamons get though, maybe they will do marine blood crushers in new books,

HAHHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa...., oh wait..., you we're serious?...

Never gonna happen, why?, because that would be competition for the TWC, and since SW did first( while nowhere in the fluff prior to that, you had any mention of SW going on wolfs back, while Zerkers CHampions on Juggers is a thing since RT), Chaos will never have it.

Only way i see is that you either play it as a count as army, or you do Unbound, Take zerkers, CSM etc with Flesh hounds and then TWC disguised has Juggers( Juggers are better and more Bad ass then some mutts anyway).

Really, believe me, it pains me to no end that we can't have a unit of Chosen on juggers or Bikers that exchange their bikes for a deamonic steed, but since GW decided that Chaos will not have fun things, we don't.

**Scott-S6**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Champions of Fenris FOC lets you do a pure TWC army since you can mount Elite-Choice Iron Priests on Thunderwolves, and Elite Choices are the compulsory choices rather than Troops.

And I don't really like the Chaos Daemon models, since they're not Space Marines on TWC. And you can't field a pure-army of them (you gotta take at least bloodletters)

On my list of future projects is a puppy army using fleshounds and berzerkers riding juggernaughts.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Korlandril wrote:

It might be a good idea to wait and see what updates CSM and Chaos Deamons get though, maybe they will do marine blood crushers in new books,

HAHHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa...., oh wait..., you we're serious?...

Never gonna happen, why?, because that would be competition for the TWC, and since SW did first( while nowhere in the fluff prior to that, you had any mention of SW going on wolfs back, while Zerkers CHampions on Juggers is a thing since RT), Chaos will never have it.

Only way i see is that you either play it as a count as army, or you do Unbound, Take zerkers, CSM etc with Flesh hounds and then TWC disguised has Juggers( Juggers are better and more Bad ass then some mutts anyway).

Really, believe me, it pains me to no end that we can't have a unit of Chosen on juggers or Bikers that exchange their bikes for a deamonic steed, but since GW decided that Chaos will not have fun things, we don't.

Thing is I can't even do unbound for this, since Marines On Jugs, apart from making them all lords, just don't exist as a unit choice as far as I know.

Also another thing I was thinking of was using Minotaurs (as in the fantasy ones, not the marines) and using them as count-as Thunderwolves, inspired by someone who did a TWC army with mutant werewolf models.

**Slayer le boucher**

When i said unbound, you take SW TWC and the rest is CSM.

SInce in a n Unbound army you can mix any models you own, not sure about the alliances tier how it works, but you can legaly do it.

Now yes those Minautors you speak of is in the P&M threads here.

Its the Metal Beast mercenary army or something, can't remember.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Woo. I always wanted to make an army of brass minotaurs.

Also I wanted to do a pure TWC army, so the only bonus to Unbound would be to not being forced to take the Iron Priests. Otherwise it wouldn't be very different.

**Korlandril**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Korlandril wrote:

It might be a good idea to wait and see what updates CSM and Chaos Deamons get though, maybe they will do marine blood crushers in new books,

HAHHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa...., oh wait..., you we're serious?...

Never gonna happen, why?, because that would be competition for the TWC, and since SW did first( while nowhere in the fluff prior to that, you had any mention of SW going on wolfs back, while Zerkers CHampions on Juggers is a thing since RT), Chaos will never have it.

Only way i see is that you either play it as a count as army, or you do Unbound, Take zerkers, CSM etc with Flesh hounds and then TWC disguised has Juggers( Juggers are better and more Bad ass then some mutts anyway).

Really, believe me, it pains me to no end that we can't have a unit of Chosen on juggers or Bikers that exchange their bikes for a deamonic steed, but since GW decided that Chaos will not have fun things, we don't.

I haven't ever worked with a juggernaut kit but surely it can't be too hard for GW just to make a marine rider, or at least copy the design over for it's own kit. I think the reason they do not have a unit for it is they need a model for it, and with all the Khorne love AoS was getting I would bet marine juggernauts are a high probability in the next codex as Lords can already take them and they have been in game before? I would buy a load and have a large number in an army if they were to.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Even easier would to be just import the Skullcrushers into 40k. They're already on round bases and look like space marines, it wouldn't be that big of a stretch.

**Korlandril**

Lacking in chain axes and power armour would not go well with regular CSM IMO

**jasper76**

Looks like they wouldn't be too terribly difficult to convert into marines. The hardest part would be the powerpack as the shoulderpads look like they're raised on the backside.

There's always Warp Forged Armor to fall back on if the powerpacks can't be rigged on there.

**Slayer le boucher**

Korlandril wrote:
. I think the reason they do not have a unit for it is they need a model for it, and with all the Khorne love AoS was getting I would bet marine juggernauts are a high probability in the next codex as Lords can already take them and they have been in game before? I would buy a load and have a large number in an army if they were to.

Its the other way around, they do the models, then they give it to the Rules and fluff guys, who need to come up with fluff and rules for those models.

If they wanted, the models would allready be out by now and we would have a unit to go with it.

Even if i suspect that the unit will still be pretty under-par compared to TWC, simply by the fact that we don't have SS.

And that also a problem with GW, it should be obvious that if they do well, Chaos players will be all over them like hookers on crack on a Rock Star, but for some reason, they don't, no , they fail to see it since 4th Ed.

Now maybe the are kits done, after all when you look at Archaon new model the stamp says 2014, so its a year that those are sitting, waiting for their release window, same for HH box, so yeah who knows?, but i'm not holding my breath over it or expecting anything grand, until i can lay my eyes on it.

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MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Woo. I always wanted to make an army of brass minotaurs.

Also I wanted to do a pure TWC army, so the only bonus to Unbound would be to not being forced to take the Iron Priests. Otherwise it wouldn't be very different.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/446424.page

**MechaEmperor7000**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/446424.page

Saw that. However those are done with reposed Juggernauts. I wanna do them with the actual Minotaur kits as the base, but I'm wondering if they'll be either too small or too weird (I always liked the minotaur models, but ever since Beastmen 7th edition done away with pure minotaur armies I've been trying to find a way to make an army of them).

Also I would be really pissed if the next round doesn't have them, since apparently there will be "blissriders" for slaanesh but no Skullcrushers? Really?

**Slayer le boucher**

That Blissrider and Co rumors are fake.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Still I feel insulted that Blissriders, of all things, came before legit Skullcrushers of Khorne for 40k.

EDIT: RUMORS. I meant to say rumors of Blissriders came before Skullcrusher rumors, even if it is false. At least Skullcrusher rumors are more believable.

**Brother SRM**

It's a thing I've always wanted to do, go for it.

**Slayer le boucher**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Still I feel insulted that Blissriders, of all things, came before legit Skullcrushers of Khorne for 40k.

EDIT: RUMORS. I meant to say rumors of Blissriders came before Skullcrusher rumors, even if it is false. At least Skullcrusher rumors are more believable.

Skull crusher rumors came around february of last year, just after Sentinels of Terra and Clan Raukhan was released, when we had rumors and "leaks" of a Veteran of the Long War supplement.

Then we got rumors of a World eaters/Khorne warband supplement with Skullcrushers and other things, turns out that the closest we got after this was KDK.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Fair enough.

On the subject of using WHFB/AoS Minotaurs as TWCs....would that go?

**Slayer le boucher**

I've seen a guy doing a Mickey Mouse SM army and a Elmstreet Chaos Deamons army where each model of Bloodletters was an actuall red fuzzy B with goggly eyes , real litteral Blood"letters"...

So imo anything goes...

But yea if you do it nicely it would pass.

Now don't forget that Minautors models are large, but not that larger then a Spawn model.

Here's a pic, where i used Minautors to make DE Abomination count as, since i din't like the original model.

They are as tall as the Jugger body, add in the legs if you make it stand up, a Jugger model will be singifically taller.

But even so Minotaurs models works well.

**MechaEmperor7000**

For the minotaurs, I mainly need to find a good source of shields for them. I doubt their wooden bucklers would pass as "storm shields" even if their bodies are made of enchanted brass (I intend to paint them all up like Taurox. The bull not the vehicle).

**Slayer le boucher**

I don't think their large enough, else you could use the Shields from the Necrons Lychguards.

or like the guy that made the Metal Beasts, use Necron destroyers bodies, the shape is just like a shield, and it sure as hell make them look like SS.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I may try to sculpt some of my own "Spartan Shields" for them, except much larger. Shouldn't be too hard to make a fairly round shield and then I can just put some wire in them. Still though something along those lines that would be ready-made would be nice :x

**Slayer le boucher**

There is a lot of Bits shops or third parties if you like.

puppetswar have an interesting looking SS and rather large.

5 for 6$

Those are Centurion sized for size comparaison.

Or it also depends on the general look you want for them.

High tech but brutal?, or really Nasty brutal at the limit to look orkish?

If its the first then those Shields or like i said converted Heavy weapon plateform for eldar guardians( that you can get for cheap on ebay), if its the more burtal and DIY kind, then a piece of thick plasticard roughly cut and filled with some chains on it to wrap around the arms is also good and the cheapest solution.

Just need to add skulls, spikes and other things on it.

Could also use the new Ogryns from AM shields.

An interresting way could be to use the wall sections of a defens line, just add a bit plasticard to make it look longer.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I wanna go less techy since they'd be a kind of Daemons (in the same vein as the Juggernauts) so the shields should look less tech, more mystical.

**Slayer le boucher**

Then i've found that Scibor does Deamon/Chaos shields.

Those are 28mm tall, wich is the size of a SM, so really decent size.

And those that are a bit smaller.

Their both at 6$ for 5, wich is pretty decent.