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Hey guys!

I play Ravenwing, Tau and now also Grey Knights.

My opponent likes to bring 2 Flyrants and sometimes even a nid flyer.
Whats the best counter strategy?

I like to build lists that are able to deal with most enemies.
My Tau are not having a Problem at all, enough AA with markerlights and velocity trackers.

Different Story for my Ravenwing.
I did not want to bring a flyer my own (because money and DA flyers kinda suck), so I brought a Morris pattern Dreadnought. He got shaken turn 1 and destroyed turn 2 by said Flyrants.

My Grey Knights are going to bring a stormraven that could bring down Maybe one of them if I am lucky, at least make him jink.
But the template haywire shots are going to destroyed me.

Any ideas?
Since Flyrants can fire whatever direction they want even smart positioning doesnt help a lot...

It is only two. Just enough Grav Guns will eventually hit and then they'll die.

deredeo dreadnaught, you cant take him in any of your lists because you only play ravenwing like a lemming, but if you can integrate some more conventional marines you can take one and just end the flyrants in a pair of sessions. one dies the second he gets in the air, the second one dies on the following turn because hes strong enough that he can ignore any return fire, and hes good enough at shooting that they dont have much of a chance

i mean you get 7 dice (3 s6 normal, and 4 s8 twin linked). if your really lucky you can cause both of them to take grounding tests in the first round potentially injuring both of them and dragging them out of the skies

the flyrants strength comes from his ability to be anywhere by grounding him his combat effectiveness is halved and he can be picked apart by ground troops once hes grounded.

Plasma is surprisingly effective. Because it's twin-linked, you hit once every 3 shots (that's about .6 hits per guy who shoots - not awful AA). Due to the high strength and low AP, the tyrannic player either has to use cover effectively or make a tough decision about whether to jink or not. If he does, his firing output is greatly reduced. If he doesn't and you get a lucky wound, then he loses a wound and will take a grounding check. If that is failed, you would be able to assault him and tie him up in combat (do this whenever possible).

In summary, plasma the ones that are out of cover and be in position to assault if a grounding check is failed.

Other options include the new forge world relic leviathan dreadnought. A 4++ save, 4 HP and a ton of high str ap 3 shots will mean terrible things for a flyrant. Also, you would want to look at a storm eagle/storm raven for an allied detachment. AV 12 and 4 HP is tough to crack for flyrants. Trust me, I've tried.

not sure about that plasma, I pretty much have the same chance to hurt myself rather than my target because of snapfire...
Even if it's twin-linked - the second throw might just be the one that kills my precious black knight.

You still get an armour save, he's forced to jink. You get a 3+, he gets a 4+. He costs 240 points, your dudes are what, 40? I'd say it's a good trade for you.

Tau can be auto win versus flyrant spam. Sky fire is a 5 point upgrade.

20p, but yeah tau have no prob (like I said)

could ally in the space marine formation that's two stalker and a hunter. Any opponent that is flyer or speeder heavy is in trouble against that.

Agree on massed AP3 fire; a hive tyrant forced to jink loses a lot of his effectiveness.

Also - I'm not sure you can use electroshock grubs against another flyer.

I'll be honest, with a million devourer shots they can probably bring the stormraven down anyway.

I thought since Flyers are skyfiring, they can use template weapons?

RAW, Flyers (Zooming) can use templates/blasts on FMCs that was in the air, but FMCs can't use templates/blasts on Flyers (Zooming).

If either are on the ground/skimming, all is fair game.

It's so silly. That's how Da Boyz GT ruled it as well. I can't argue with them, that is how it's written. But... but I run 5 Flyrants and I want to use my Haywire templates on Fire Raptors so-so-so bad. xD

2 Flyrants? Depending on what you're playing, you can just kind of ignore them. AP- means that you can tank a lot of them and get Cover as well. It can be pretty devastating against MSU units or light vehicles, but against harder targets they can just kind of take it.

Ravenwing should counter flyers, spam bikes and 1-2 dark shrouds move up and and wrap shrouds, 2+ re-rollable jink should tank well vs all that str6.

Remtek wrote:
Ravenwing should counter flyers, spam bikes and 1-2 dark shrouds move up and and wrap shrouds, 2+ re-rollable jink should tank well vs all that str6.

Well, watch out for E-Grub, it is a template haywire weapon. Two flyrant would almost surely glance one to death in a single turn, with D3 auto hit ignore cover Vector strikes on skimmer, even a lone Flyrant can destroy one Darkshroud in a single turn. Unless Darkshroud has 3 HP or more.

Neophyte2012 wrote:

Remtek wrote:
Ravenwing should counter flyers, spam bikes and 1-2 dark shrouds move up and and wrap shrouds, 2+ re-rollable jink should tank well vs all that str6.

Well, watch out for E-Grub, it is a template haywire weapon. Two flyrant would almost surely glance one to death in a single turn, with D3 auto hit ignore cover Vector strikes on skimmer, even a lone Flyrant can destroy one Darkshroud in a single turn. Unless Darkshroud has 3 HP or more.

I'm pretty sure a Flyrant only causes D3 wounds to a Flyer/FMCs if they are in the air. The fact that a Darkshroud is a skimmer doesn't change the fact that it's on the ground and the Flyrant would only cause a single hit IIRC. It doesn't work like Skyfire.

BY the way, one can try to take new "Emperor's Spear Aerial Company" formation from Mont'Ka book. For 510 point you take 3 Vendetta's with 3 TL LCs each that can carry up to 6 marines/scouts and drop them without scatter while zooming (melta-drop, late-game objective grab, etc.). I bet no FMC will be glad to face it.

For GK, I probably wouldn't bother with the Stormraven, it's not that good.

If the Flyrants start on the table, shunt your Dreadknights up the table and shoot them with Gatling Psilencers turn 1.
Also Cleansing Flame is an option - 2d6 S5 Autohits, combo with Gate to get in range.
If all else fails, hide in combat.