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I am reading through the new FW Doom of Mymeara book. Wraithseers (which is a Monstrous Creature) have the Independent Character (IC) rule. Page 166 of main rulebook details rules for IC and states 'They (IC) cannot, however, join units that contain vehicles or or Monstrous Creatures.' Does this mean a Wraithseer can join a unit, outside of one that contains a vehicle or monstrous creature? For example, can a Wraithseer join a squad of Wraithguard? I am inclined to say yes as the unit the Wraithseer is attempting to join satisfies the requirements that the unit does not contain vehicles or Monstrous Creatures. There are obvious pitfalls as the Wraithseer T8 would be dropped for wounding purposes, but I can see some interesting combos.

Simply put, yes.

You check the unit when joining with an if/then statement: if the unit does not contain a restricted model/then your IC may join.

Once joined you never need to re-check, you are joined until you leave.

In this way the few mc-ics can freely join units as can other ics(join the same unit), as long as the other ics join before the mc-ic.

Take, for example, farsight's "the eight"; one is an ic riptide(a mc), you can join them all together as 1 unit or within another unit as long as the riptide is the last to join(or at least once the riptide joins no other ics may join).

Kriswall wrote:Simply put, yes.

Kommissar Kel wrote:You check the unit when joining with an if/then statement: if the unit does not contain a restricted model/then your IC may join.

Once joined you never need to re-check, you are joined until you leave.

In this way the few mc-ics can freely join units as can other ics(join the same unit), as long as the other ics join before the mc-ic.

Take, for example, farsight's "the eight"; one is an ic riptide(a mc), you can join them all together as 1 unit or within another unit as long as the riptide is the last to join(or at least once the riptide joins no other ics may join).

Agreed.

You are not considered in the unit till joined, and not joined before you joined. So, the one Wraithseer would be fine, but no other ICs could join the same unit afterwards until the Wraithseer left or was removed.

might be a reasonable tactic with a Turn 1, shrouded/stealth 2+ Look out sir, to keep your MC alive a turn if you have a feeling the enemy is going to be grossly targeting it.

Thanks for the input. Answers my question.

Are there any rules for the order in which ICs join units ?

Simultaneous. Meaning the player whose turn it is gets to choose. I presume they will therefore join the MC IC last.

I thought simultaneous means all at once.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I thought simultaneous means all at once.

It does in regular English. In the world of 40k rules, it means one after another in the order of choosing of the controlling player. (paraphrased)

"While playing Warhammer 40,000, you’ll occasionally find that two or more rules are to be resolved at the same time – normally ‘at the start of the Movement phase’ or similar. When this happens, and the wording is not explicit as to which rule is resolved first, then the player whose turn it is chooses the order."

So, if you find yourself in a situation where two ICs are simultaneously trying to join the same unit, you get to choose which joining is resolved first.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Are there any rules for the order in which ICs join units ?

The way nos replied was in response to a line of the joining units rules that doesn't really make sense.

The rule is: "...has to move so that he is within 2" unit coherency distance of a friendly unit at the end of thier movement phase."

But models/units do not have individual phases.

Though many players see this as meaning the end of your movement phase, it makes the last sentence in that paragraph completely meaningless: "Note that after an Independent Character joins a unit, that unit can move no further that Movement Phase."

For that part of the rule to make any sort of sense(the ic wouldn't be joining the unit until the end of the phase, so the unit wouldn't be moving in that phase anyways); we could just drop the word phase from the previous 2 sentences(so just ending the IC's movement within 2" lets him join, and forbids the joined unit from moving further).

If you follow the above interpretation; all the rules function fine and ic joining is sequential as it happens.