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So I have a Land Raider Redeemer that I am going to turn into a Crusader (possibly with Yeah, B****, MAGNETS). As of right now, I have the Flamestorm Cannons on the front sponson stations. When I remove the FCs and replace them with Hurricane Bolters, should I keep them in the same spot, or move them to the rear sponson stations? Is either scenario Modeling for Advantage? I have seen pictures of it done in either way. Is there an advantage to either?

OR...should I just leave my Land Raider Redeemer as is? It is used for transporting Pedro Kantor and his retinue (either a 7-man Honour Guard, or a 5-man Terminator Squad).

Put them at the front

The kit is designed so it can be either position, but the front is usually best because it gives the weapons the widest possible arc of fire in front, plus an extra bit of range.

 Shandara wrote:
The kit is designed so it can be either position, but the front is usually best because it gives the weapons the widest possible arc of fire in front, plus an extra bit of range.

Fair enough. So it *IS* modeling for advantage, but it isn't necessarily doing so illegally.

My question then is, should I actually go through with removing the Redeemer's sponsons and turning it into a Crusader? One of my main opponents runs Ravenwing, so being able to ignore Jink is a big plus for the Flamestorms (the AP3 doesn't hurt either). But the added range of the Hurricane bolters and more shots is also good. Being twin-linked, even if they snap shot they are still halfways decent. It also would free up PotMS to be used with the TL Assault Cannons or Multi-Melta.

I was going to say anywhere you want, but then the land raider with turrets on top of it came into my mind. I kinda like the idea :_P

Magnetising a kit is always the best option.

The redeemer is very cool in this age of bikers, but suffers from the big model syndrome. Vs grav-bikers it may die before it gets to use its flamers.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
The kit is designed so it can be either position, but the front is usually best because it gives the weapons the widest possible arc of fire in front, plus an extra bit of range.

Fair enough. So it *IS* modeling for advantage, but it isn't necessarily doing so illegally.

My question then is, should I actually go through with removing the Redeemer's sponsons and turning it into a Crusader? One of my main opponents runs Ravenwing, so being able to ignore Jink is a big plus for the Flamestorms (the AP3 doesn't hurt either). But the added range of the Hurricane bolters and more shots is also good. Being twin-linked, even if they snap shot they are still halfways decent. It also would free up PotMS to be used with the TL Assault Cannons or Multi-Melta.

It isn't MFA, sponsons in the front i ALWAYS how the LR was designed, it was just that when some White Dwarf painter painted a Smurf Godhammer Pattern land raider and posted it on White Dwarf it simply stuck around and everyone kept doing it.

Magnetize the sponson attachment positions so you can swap them from front to back of the model.

Front.

It doesn't make sense to have a hatch door right in front of a weapon - which would be the case if you mounted the weapons on the rear.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Magnetize the sponson attachment positions so you can swap them from front to back of the model.

the doors and stations are already glued. I am going to leave them up front though. I am going to see if I can manage to magnetize the weapons though. That doesn't seem like it will be as difficult.

In general I think the LRR/C should be in the front, while the Godhammers should be on the back. Both are fine, both are legal. As long as you keep it to one on each side of the tank. There is enough examples of official GW models both ways. I just think they look better that way aesthetically. The LRR/C are straining to get to grips with the enemy, with short range guns. Putting them up front makes them seem to lunge forward. The Phobos is loitering around the battlefield, taking potshots with the TLLCs as it grinds it’s way forward. Back mount conveys that better. IMHO, YMMV, etc.

Magnetization for big kits is generally a good plan, particuarly when it’s reasonably easy to do. If you are more of a gamer then a modeler, you might need to adjust what you use due to rules and codex shifts. Don’t want to buy a new box just to keep up with the FOTM, or take a knife/saw to your old paintjob to bring it up to code.

Why choose when you can have an ultra ( aside from the transport capacity :_P )

 oldzoggy wrote:
Why choose when you can have an ultra ( aside from the rules of this thing :_P )

Yo dawg I heard you like laz cannons....

Yeah, i agree with oldzoggy.

But then how do Pedro and his retinue get around? The answer to the question of "Which Land Raider do I get next?" is not the Terminus Ultra, but the Achilles. Still has a transport capacity, and packs a TFC.

Update on status: I ripped the FSCs off the LR. They are mostly intact, but I don't think magnetization is going to happen. Hurricane Bolters do their job well enough. And I am running a Bolter chapter.

 Shandara wrote:
Magnetising a kit is always the best option.

The redeemer is very cool in this age of bikers, but suffers from the big model syndrome. Vs grav-bikers it may die before it gets to use its flamers.

All Land Raiders suffer this. However, the Redeemer is bad because the sponsons have terrible range.

You are good either way, just don't put both sponsons on the same side of the raider! (yes, this has been attempted)

 amanita wrote:
You are good either way, just don't put both sponsons on the same side of the raider! (yes, this has been attempted)

Well, there was the era of TRANSPORTS MOVE SIDEWAYS TO BLOCK LOS. Which is probably still a thing.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 amanita wrote:
You are good either way, just don't put both sponsons on the same side of the raider! (yes, this has been attempted)

Well, there was the era of TRANSPORTS MOVE SIDEWAYS TO BLOCK LOS. Which is probably still a thing.

Remember that part of that awful Battleship movie where they drift the Battleship? That's all I'm picturing with the Land Raider.

 Zewrath wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
The kit is designed so it can be either position, but the front is usually best because it gives the weapons the widest possible arc of fire in front, plus an extra bit of range.

Fair enough. So it *IS* modeling for advantage, but it isn't necessarily doing so illegally.

My question then is, should I actually go through with removing the Redeemer's sponsons and turning it into a Crusader? One of my main opponents runs Ravenwing, so being able to ignore Jink is a big plus for the Flamestorms (the AP3 doesn't hurt either). But the added range of the Hurricane bolters and more shots is also good. Being twin-linked, even if they snap shot they are still halfways decent. It also would free up PotMS to be used with the TL Assault Cannons or Multi-Melta.

It isn't MFA, sponsons in the front i ALWAYS how the LR was designed, it was just that when some White Dwarf painter painted a Smurf Godhammer Pattern land raider and posted it on White Dwarf it simply stuck around and everyone kept doing it.

This was the box art when the current model was first released.



The sides of the box had examples of front and back mounted sponsons.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
The kit is designed so it can be either position, but the front is usually best because it gives the weapons the widest possible arc of fire in front, plus an extra bit of range.

Fair enough. So it *IS* modeling for advantage, but it isn't necessarily doing so illegally.

My question then is, should I actually go through with removing the Redeemer's sponsons and turning it into a Crusader? One of my main opponents runs Ravenwing, so being able to ignore Jink is a big plus for the Flamestorms (the AP3 doesn't hurt either). But the added range of the Hurricane bolters and more shots is also good. Being twin-linked, even if they snap shot they are still halfways decent. It also would free up PotMS to be used with the TL Assault Cannons or Multi-Melta.

It isn't MFA, sponsons in the front i ALWAYS how the LR was designed, it was just that when some White Dwarf painter painted a Smurf Godhammer Pattern land raider and posted it on White Dwarf it simply stuck around and everyone kept doing it.

This was the box art when the current model was first released.



The sides of the box had examples of front and back mounted sponsons.

Exactly, as I said, it started with a WD painter putting it in the back side and then started a trend.

 King Pariah wrote:
Front.

It doesn't make sense to have a hatch door right in front of a weapon - which would be the case if you mounted the weapons on the rear.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Something tells me safety interlocks aren't a thing in 40k.

40k has a proud tradition of putting escape hatches in front of a big cannon.

Strangely enough, the current image on GW's webstore:

 amanita wrote:
You are good either way, just don't put both sponsons on the same side of the raider! (yes, this has been attempted)

Yeah, but the redeemer with both on one side would be GREAT!

Too me the idea of the guns in the back just seems odd and stupid from a design standpoint. With the guns in the back you have people stepping out of the side right into the line of fire. That just screams bad idea to me.

 Zewrath wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
The kit is designed so it can be either position, but the front is usually best because it gives the weapons the widest possible arc of fire in front, plus an extra bit of range.

Fair enough. So it *IS* modeling for advantage, but it isn't necessarily doing so illegally.

My question then is, should I actually go through with removing the Redeemer's sponsons and turning it into a Crusader? One of my main opponents runs Ravenwing, so being able to ignore Jink is a big plus for the Flamestorms (the AP3 doesn't hurt either). But the added range of the Hurricane bolters and more shots is also good. Being twin-linked, even if they snap shot they are still halfways decent. It also would free up PotMS to be used with the TL Assault Cannons or Multi-Melta.

It isn't MFA, sponsons in the front i ALWAYS how the LR was designed, it was just that when some White Dwarf painter painted a Smurf Godhammer Pattern land raider and posted it on White Dwarf it simply stuck around and everyone kept doing it.

This was the box art when the current model was first released.



The sides of the box had examples of front and back mounted sponsons.

Exactly, as I said, it started with a WD painter putting it in the back side and then started a trend.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I think it was also one of the first models I ever got haha